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    interesting legalese on agfa films

    I bought some CT Precisa from my friend and noticed this printed on the back of the cartridge "AGFAPHOTO is used under license of Agfa-Gevaert AG. Agfa-Gevaert AG does not manufacture these products or provide any warranty or support. For service, support and warranty information, contact the distributor or manufacturer. Made in EU. Agfaphoto Holding GmbH" then "produced for and distributed by Lupus imaging &media GmbH and Co.KG"

    Is this just legalese for nothing important, or does it mean this film is actually a different film from what was availible when agfa was still around?

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    As a minimum it means that Lupus Imaging and Media purchased the rights to use the Agfa trade name and trademark.

    It may also mean that Lupus bought the rights to manufacture a product to Agfa specifications - but it doesn't explicitly say that. However, from a marketing perspective, it would be kind of dumb to give a product a recognizable name if that product has performance characteristics that are noticeably different from the product whose name is being used.

    So you really don't know if it is the same as the old Agfa film of the same name. But there certainly is a strong hint.
    Last edited by Monophoto; 08-13-2007 at 08:51 AM. Click to view previous post history.
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    The depths of stupidity in business know no bounds...

    witness the Edsel. Or the continued existence of the Bell and Howell name. They're now marketing electric shavers through As-Seen-On-TV type marketing that sell for TWO for $29! That's Right, TWO TWO TWO for just $29! and we'll throw in the nose and ear hair trimmer too if you call NOW NOW NOW!!!

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    They even say something like, "It's from Bell & Howell, so you know it's good!"


    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingCamera View Post
    The depths of stupidity in business know no bounds...

    witness the Edsel. Or the continued existence of the Bell and Howell name. They're now marketing electric shavers through As-Seen-On-TV type marketing that sell for TWO for $29! That's Right, TWO TWO TWO for just $29! and we'll throw in the nose and ear hair trimmer too if you call NOW NOW NOW!!!

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    The only "true" branch of Bell & Howell left was purchased by RTI/Lipsner Smith and they continue to make BHP (Bell & Howell Professional) 35/16mm motion picture contact printers.

    Hawking crappy electric razors on TV; It is a sad fate for such a noble name...

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    Anyone want a Kodak teddy bear. It is yellow, of course with a big Kodak logo on the fake t-shirt it is wearing.

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    based on this (in german) the situation is this:
    Lupus is a trading company and bought the rights to use the agfa name. They bought also lots of original agfa film in bulk and someone cuts and boxes them for lupus.
    Vista: new stuff from whoever, "comparable" to the agfa vista
    CT precisa 100: original stuff
    Scala: original stock till 2011 or 2012
    APX: original stock till 2011 or 2012

    btw, interesting name, lupus.
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    Any film cut from real Agfa film master rolls would now be several years old. Any film produced using Agfa formulas would be close to Agfa films if not identical. Any films produced licencing the Agfa names could be anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob100684 View Post
    I bought some CT Precisa from my friend and noticed this printed on the back of the cartridge "AGFAPHOTO is used under license of Agfa-Gevaert AG. Agfa-Gevaert AG does not manufacture these products or provide any warranty or support. For service, support and warranty information, contact the distributor or manufacturer. Made in EU. Agfaphoto Holding GmbH" then "produced for and distributed by Lupus imaging &media GmbH and Co.KG"

    Is this just legalese for nothing important, or does it mean this film is actually a different film from what was availible when agfa was still around?
    I don't see any confusion in this statement - it is a standard legal notice and disclaimer.

    It simply states that the Agfa-Gevaert A.G. division of AGfaphoto Holding GmbH has licensed the trademark AGFAPHOTO to Lupus....

    It further notes that any warranty claims, servicing requests etc. should be directed solely to Lupus, as Agfa (in either guise) assumes no responsibility for the product sold under the licensed trademark.

    As to whether the emulsion and performance characteristics of the Lupus-produced film are the same as that formerly produced by Agfa - I suggest you contact Lupus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Any film cut from real Agfa film master rolls would now be several years old.

    -) There is NO indication that Agfa has stopped coating film.

    -) The last coating done by AgfaPhoto (in Leverkusen) was done in october 2005; I wouldn’t call this `several years ago´.


    (By the way, last Sunday the Agfa plant in Mortsel still looked, sounded and smelled like a chemical plant…)

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