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    HQ and sodium or potassium sulfite will make what you want with the addition of the right amount of oxidant. You should read up on the synthesis in a good text though. I don't have the information here.

    As I noted earlier, Kyanted has special ordered a number of chemicals for me, as has the Formulary. You just need to ask. Kyantec does not list Erythrosine, but I buy it there. They special order it for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    HQ and sodium or potassium sulfite will make what you want with the addition of the right amount of oxidant. You should read up on the synthesis in a good text though. I don't have the information here.

    As I noted earlier, Kyanted has special ordered a number of chemicals for me, as has the Formulary. You just need to ask. Kyantec does not list Erythrosine, but I buy it there. They special order it for me.

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    Hi PE,

    I spoke with a representative Kyantec earlier on today and they're looking into finding this chemical for me. BTW, do you know of any good texts on the above synthesis? I've had no luck on the internet. Thanks again for your help.
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    Weissberger "Organic Synthesis" or the Merck index may give references. College libraries will carry references to articles. It isn't hard to find. Nor is it hard to make. Every developer contains some.....

    The only thing you have to watch for is the solution turning green. In this case you are forming quinhydrone which is no good. It used to be used to make green ink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Weissberger "Organic Synthesis" or the Merck index may give references. College libraries will carry references to articles. It isn't hard to find. Nor is it hard to make. Every developer contains some.....

    The only thing you have to watch for is the solution turning green. In this case you are forming quinhydrone which is no good. It used to be used to make green ink.

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    Thanks for information PE. Either way, I win. I either get the photo chemistry I want or green ink to use in my fountain pen.
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    May I ask what you are trying to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    May I ask what you are trying to do?

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    Certainly, PE. I should have brought it up in the beginning of the thread. It was my intention to experiment with a DIY E-6 formula. I understand that hydroquinone monosulphate is what should be used in the first developer but I currently have only hydroquinone. I also understand that home brew E-6 formulations are not accurate. Consequently, I run the risk of long term image stability, loss of image quality and grain.

    The formula that I'm using is as follows:

    FIRST DEVELOPER

    Distilled Water...............................750ml
    Sodium Sulphite, (anhy)..................28.0g
    Potassium Carbonate, (anhy)...........14.0g
    Sodium Bicarbonate........................12.0g
    Phenidone.....................................0.5g
    Hydroquinone Monosulfate................6.0g
    Sodium Bromide..............................2.6g
    Sodium Thiocyanate........................1.0 g
    Sodium Hydroxide............................2.5g
    Potassium Iodide, 0.1% solution.........4.5ml
    Distilled water to make.....................1,000ml

    STOP BATH 1

    Water...........................................75 0ml
    Sodium Acetate, (anhy)...................30.0g
    Acetic acid, (glacial).......................6.0ml
    Water to make...............................1,000ml

    COLOUR DEVELOPER

    Distilled water................................750ml
    Trisodium Phosphate, crystals...........36.0g
    Sodium Hydroxide...........................1.9g
    Sodium Sulphite, (anhy)...................5.5g
    Sodium Bromide..............................0.55g
    Potassium Iodide, 0.1% solution........37.5ml
    Sodium Thiocyanate........................1.0g
    Citrazinic Acid.................................0.6g
    Kodak CD-3....................................10.5g
    Distilled water to make.....................1,000ml

    STOP BATH 2

    Water...........................................75 0ml
    Sodium Acetate, (anhy)...................30.0g
    Acetic acid, (glacial).......................6.0ml
    Water to make...............................1,000ml

    BLEACH

    Water...........................................75 0ml
    Potassium Ferricyanide.....................80.0g
    Potassium Bromide...........................20.0g
    Disodium Phosphate, (anhy)..............12.0g
    Acetic Acid, (glacial)........................5.0ml
    Water to make................................1,000ml

    FIXER

    Water............................................7 50ml
    Sodium Thiosulphate, (crystals)..........200.0g
    Sodium Sulphite, (anhy)....................5.0g
    Sodium Metabisulphite.......................0.5g
    Water to make.................................1,000ml

    STABILIZER (OPTIONAL)

    Water............................................7 50ml
    Formaldehyde, 40%..........................5.0ml
    Wetting Agent.................................1.0ml
    Water to make................................1,000ml

    This formula was posted by a APUGer not too long ago and is a variant of the Watkins formulation. I thought I would play around with it and see what results I would get. The Canadian winter is coming and I need some indoor stuff to occupy my time with. Once again, thank you for all the help that you provided.
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    I suspected as much.

    Good formula, but DTOD is a bit better than thiocyanate. If you can get it that is.

    Also, the stop before the bleach (ferricyanide) better have sulfite or you may get a high dmin. The sulfite scavenges color developer before bleaching.

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    I presume DTOD is Dithethyloctane Diol? I couldn't find any around but I'll look around. What would be an appropriate amount of DTOD? As for the fix before the bleach, would 10g/l of sodium sulfite be sufficient? Thanks again.
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    Kodak has published on its web site, several formulas with DTOD instead of thiocyanate. The VNF process is one that comes to mind (IIRC). I would say 1 g is enough.

    As for the sulfite, about 10 g/l should work. It reacts with excess CD3 to form the sulfonate (ahahahahaha) to prevent stain from forming.

    Sulfite is everywhere in photography. Like cow patties in a pasture, right?

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    This is great help. Once again, I owe you a debt of gratitude. Now, if only I can get that sulfonate from stop bath and bleach mixture.
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