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    Finest, sharpest colour film in 35mm?

    So.. I have an F6 and 85mm f/1.4 in the mail. What is the sharpest colour film to run through it?

    Contendors would seem to be in order;

    Fuji Astia 100F (RMS 7)
    Fuji Provia 100F (RMS 8)
    Fuji Sensia (RMS ??)
    Kodak E100GX (RMS 8)
    Kodak Porta 160VC (RMS ??)
    Fuji Reala (RMS 4?????)
    Konica Impressa 50 (found this recommended in a thread!)

    My preference is towards increased colour saturation and a warmer balance.

    Daniel.
    Last edited by snaggs; 01-05-2008 at 07:44 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Have you a preference for negative, or positive?
    Regards Dave.

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    Well.. slide is nice in that you can view them through a projector on a big screen. Other than that no. One of the best shots I've ever taken was done on Fuji Reala. If Reala is really going to be so much better with an RMS 4, then it seems like a no-brainer. Can you compare print and chrome RMS?

    Every I do is scanned and printed on a Fuji Frontier by a very experienced local operator. The one in 200 shots which is stunning is then sent to a Pro Lab for a Imacon scan and print on a Lightjet.

    I got rid of my digital camera and 24" printer and outsourced it all again. So whatever workflow advantages there might be are not my problem.

    Daniel.

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    I just found this.. though its a six year old post..

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...s&hl=en&rnum=1

    Brand Film Name RMS PGI

    Fuji *Provia F 100 3.20 15
    Agfa Portrait 160 3.50 19
    Kodak *Kodachrome 25 3.60 21
    Fuji *Velvia 50 3.60 21
    Kodak Royal Gold 25 3.83 25
    Kodak Supra 100 3.93 27
    Kodak Ektapress PJ100 3.98 28
    Kodak Royal Gold 100 3.98 28
    Fuji *Astia 100 4.00 28
    Kodak *Ektachrome 100s 4.00 28
    Kodak *Ektachrome 100sw 4.00 28
    Agfa HDC 100+ 4.00 28
    Konica Impresa 50 4.00 28
    Kodak *Kodachrome 64 4.00 28
    Fuji *MultiSpeed @ 100 4.00 28
    Fuji New Superia 100 4.00 28
    Fuji New Superia 200 4.00 28
    Fuji New Superia 400 4.00 28
    Fuji NPH 400 4.00 28
    Fuji NPS 160 4.00 28
    Agfa OptimaII 100 4.00 28
    Fuji *Provia 100 4.00 28
    Fuji Reala 100 4.00 28
    Agfa *RSX 100p 4.00 28
    Agfa *RSX 50 4.00 28
    Fuji Superia 100 4.00 28
    Fuji Superia 200 4.00 28
    Fuji Superia 400 4.00 28
    Kodak Portra 160 NC 4.08 30
    Kodak Portra 160 VC 4.22 33
    Agfa Ultra 50 4.30 35
    Kodak old Pro 100 4.35 36
    Kodak Supra 400 4.35 36
    Kodak old Pro 400 MC 4.39 37
    Kodak *Ektachrome 100 4.40 37
    Kodak *Ektachrome 100+ 4.40 37
    Kodak *Ektachrome 100vs 4.40 37
    Fuji *MultiSpeed @ 200 4.40 37
    Kodak Ektapr Multspeed 4.47 39
    Kodak Royal 400 Select 4.47 39
    Kodak Vericolor 3 160 4.47 39
    Agfa HDC 200+ 4.50 40
    Agfa HDC 400+ 4.50 40
    Agfa OptimaII 200 4.50 40
    Agfa OptimaII 400 4.50 40
    Kodak Ektapress PJ400 4.55 41
    Kodak old RoyalGold 400 4.55 41
    Kodak Portra 400 NC 4.55 41
    Kodak Royal Gold 200 4.55 41
    Kodak old Pro 400 4.59 42
    Kodak Portra 400 VC 4.62 43
    Kodak Gold 100 4.70 45
    Kodak Gold 200 4.77 47
    Agfa *CTprecisa100 4.80 48
    Agfa *CTprecisa200 4.80 48
    Kodak *Ektachrome 200 4.80 48
    Agfa *RSX 200p 4.80 48
    Kodak Max Zoom 800 4.80 48
    Kodak Gold Max 400 4.84 49
    Kodak Portra 800 4.87 50
    Kodak Supra 800 4.87 50
    Kodak Ektapress PJ800 4.97 53
    Fuji NHG II 800 5.00 54
    Fuji Superia 800 5.00 54
    Kodak Ektapress 1600 5.10 57
    Kodak Gold Max 800 5.10 57
    Kodak old Pro 1000 5.10 57
    Kodak Royal Gold 1000 5.10 57
    Fuji *MultiSpeed @ 400 5.20 60
    Fuji *Provia 400 6.00 91
    Kodak *Kodachrome 200 6.40 109
    Konica 3200 @ 1600 9.00 290
    Fuji HG 1600 10.00 393
    Fuji *Provia 1600 10.00 393

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    Quote Originally Posted by snaggs View Post
    Well.. slide is nice in that you can view them through a projector on a big screen. Other than that no. One of the best shots I've ever taken was done on Fuji Reala. If Reala is really going to be so much better with an RMS 4, then it seems like a no-brainer. Can you compare print and chrome RMS?
    No, you can't compare print and chrome RMS values, unfortunately.

    My personal recommendations would be:

    C41 - Fuji Reala 100
    E6 - Fuji Velvia 100F or 100. I haven't tested the new (old ) Velvia 50 but it should be similar; since it's really a re-release of an older emulsion I don't expect it to be less grainy, but you might like the tonality better.

    Experiment. You're buying a few thousand dollars worth of gear. Spending a few tens of dollars trying different films isn't too ridiculous an imposition!

    Enjoy your toys. I shall have to limp along with my F5 and 85/1.8 (non-D).

    Jim
    Jim MacKenzie - Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

    A bunch of Nikons; Feds, Zorkis and a Kiev; Pentax 67-II (inherited from my deceased father-in-law); Bronica SQ-A; and a nice Shen Hao 4x5 field camera with 3 decent lenses that needs to be taken outside more. Oh, and as of mid-2012, one of those bodies we don't talk about here.

    Favourite film: do I need to pick only one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snaggs View Post
    So.. I have an F6 and 85mm f/1.4 in the mail. What is the sharpest colour film to run through it?
    Fuji Velvia 50. (I have only used the old version as the new version is not easily available in fotoshops here in Finland - actually the fastest way to buy it is to order it yourself from Germany).

    Fuji Velvia 100 (not the F-version) is also very good when it comes to sharpness, but not as good as the old Velvia 50.
    The exposure latitude is wider in Velvia 100, which is a good thing. Velvia 100 is one stop faster than Velvia 50 but if you have enough light or use a tripod, use Velvia 50. You won't be disappointed.

    -Petri

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    I recommend Kodak's new 160 VC / NC films as well as Kodak's 100 Ultra Color film, which I believe is still available in 35mm format, if you are leaning more towards negative film. While these films probably do not have as low an RMS rating as Fuji's comparable films, in real life applications they are very fine-grained and provide both more color saturation (100 UC and 160 VC) and a warmer color balance than Reala 100.

    Tim

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    I've been impressed with Kodak Portra 160VC for print film. The Portra 400VC is pretty good as well. I tried some Portra 800 for a tricky Humming Bird mom and baby shot (didn't want to use flash to scare mom away from the baby). Worked OK but a bit grainy.

    I like Fuji Velvia 50 (still got some in the fridge/freezer) for transparency films. I haven't tried the Velvia 100F.
    WJS/wi/usa

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    Snaggs,
    In my experience the higher RMS values did not necessarily translate into sharper images. Velvia 50 and 100 always give me sharper slides, but Provia 100 is less saturated and more "neutral." I've seen very impressive 20x24 prints from deep scans of 35mm Velvia 50.
    Good luck.
    DT

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    I'm going to shoot nearly 100% portraits etc with the 35mm, so whilst I have done a portrait with Velvia 50, I'm not sure its always the best choice. I love Velvia 50 as well, but I'm curious that people think its sharper than Astia. Maybe the job falls on me to take some next shots and post the results!

    Daniel.

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