Ridiculous Grain

[pokerplayer269]

'Allo. I recently purchased 12 rolls of expired (5/2002) Fuji Sensia 200 slide film and shot a few rolls at a local show I went to. I got the film cross processed as C41 and then scanned at a local camera shop. The scans had a ridiculous amount of grain and at first I thought something was wrong with their scanner as the grain looked more like digital noise than film grain. I got a frame printed at Walgreens to check this but the print came out just as grainy as the scan from the camera store. I know that cross processing increases grain, but the grain in these photos is insane. In fact I think there is more grain in these photos than the grain in a roll of 800 speed film I shot a while ago. Does expired film increase grain? Is it possible something happened during development? Here is one of the scans from the roll: http://i39.tinypic.com/11158qp.jpg

[tiberiustibz]

That is horrid, whatever it is. I would try shooting a roll at box speed (or a bit more exposure; it's likely to have speed loss) and having regular E6 process (I'll do it for you if you want.) I would bet the grain would be slightly less horrid, but it is expired so you'll get speed loss, background fog, etc. The best would be to overexpose it and pull process to reduce the fog.

[EASmithV]

Holy crap... That's horrible!

Take a look at it with a loupe, and see if you can see it on the negative.

Are your negs overly dense?

[EASmithV]

To answer some of your questions, film does sometimes get weird over time. Color seems to be the worst. I've shot 50 year old b&w film and it came out fine. For storing color for a long time, you should keep it in the fridge.

"I would try shooting a roll at box speed..."

Box speed? Maybe I missed something, but I don't think he said he was pushing the speed. If he was, that would explain a lot.

[Photo Engineer]

That has the appearance of badly underbleached and underfixed film among other possible answers.

Underdoing both solutions can create pepper like white dots in the final positive image if taken to the extreme. Usually, you just see a tiny increase in granularity, but this is awful.

PE

[tiberiustibz]

"I would try shooting a roll at box speed..."

Box speed? Maybe I missed something, but I don't think he said he was pushing the speed. If he was, that would explain a lot.

I was going for a standardized test with proper development, though the box speed would be too fast if it had speed loss. If you had something to compare that blob of a photo to that might help pinpoint the problem.

[Tim Gray]

I thought when you cross process slide film you have to give it extra exposure. I don't really know though I've never done it. It looks like underexposed film to me that the scanner tried to save.

[tiberiustibz]

how does the density look on the negs?

[Kino]

Looks reticulated to me...

[Vaughn]

Man, that is going to be hard to duplicate if you end up liking it!:o

Vaughn