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    Quote Originally Posted by tiberiustibz View Post
    Ask for a hand inspection. Don't risk it. They are likely to hand sample every roll of film for explosive residue, so plan in a few extra minutes (you never know what's in those 35mm film cartridges.) They say that the X-ray will not effect film under 800 ASA, which is a complete lie because it will effect them exactly half or a quarter as much.

    If you're worried pack slower film.

    i have asked both in the usa and overseas to "hand inspect"
    and they refused. seeing i did not want to start a scene in the line
    they passed my sheets and rolls through
    the machine ...
    sometimes the hand inspect is easier said than done ...

    oh, this was logan, heathrow, basel (bale), zurich ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiberiustibz View Post
    Ask for a hand inspection. Don't risk it. They are likely to hand sample every roll of film for explosive residue, so plan in a few extra minutes (you never know what's in those 35mm film cartridges.) They say that the X-ray will not effect film under 800 ASA, which is a complete lie because it will effect them exactly half or a quarter as much.

    If you're worried pack slower film.
    Your film is more at risk from being out in the light and fiddled with by a non photographer (and likely a dumbass and/or jerk) than it is being scanned by carry on x-ray machines. Just put it in your carry on bag, and you are fine. If you have any doubts, read the Kodak data sheet that talks about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    i have asked both in the usa and overseas to "hand inspect"
    and they refused. seeing i did not want to start a scene in the line
    they passed my sheets and rolls through
    the machine ...
    sometimes the hand inspect is easier said than done ...

    oh, this was logan, heathrow, basel (bale), zurich ...
    I think it is harder in Europe.

    However, I asked in the US once and they agreed, but then saying how they were going to open every packet, foil packed 120 film etc etc - it worked in putting me off and put the stuff through the machine.

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    I have been in many airports (Paris, Lyon, Milan, London, Birmingham, East Midland, Berlin, Toronto, Los Angeles and others) with films (HP5+, FP4+, Acros 100, delta 3200, 135 and 120), I never had any problems. I even never had a question about film. The only question I had was from a guy who saw on his screen my box modify in a pinhole he has a collection of camera and we had a chat.

    I also once forgot the film in my main luggage so they have been X-rayed. The films wer OK. That does mean that somewhere with a machine you cannot have problem. But obviously, the problem have been taken in account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romary View Post
    delta 3200, I never had any problems.
    Delta was fine still?

    I'll do a very important trip for me in 2-3 years. I'd be carrying lots of Provia 100F and also Provia 400X (or it's replacement in the future). The 400X rolls would be most important, since they would carry the snaps of our relatives.
    If we take the shortest way, the film may pass 7 scanners Counting possible scans between the connections. If I'm wrong in that, the film may not pass more than 3 scans. If things don't change, there are 3 routes that we could take:
    Singapore Airlines: BCN-(Milan)-Singapore. Singapore-Cebu
    Qatar: BCN-Madrid Madrid-Doha Doha-Cebu <= this is the mentioned above
    KLM: BCN-Amsterdam-Manila Manila-Cebu


    This carry-on X-ray discussions are kind of confusing, some say it's perfectly safe. Others say never do. Others say manual check.
    I've heard that there are various types of machines. Tacho I don't know what else, is unfriendly for film. The normal older type, is ok.
    Manual check may be tricky here, in Europe. If they want to open the film canisters... Pff. Worse even. Goodbye 150-200€ spent on film. That would piss me seriously. Go and buy lots of "pro" film and having it ruined.

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    "This carry-on X-ray discussions are kind of confusing, some say it's perfectly safe. Others say never do. Others say manual check."

    This is why you should not get important information like this from a message board. Regardless of actual knowledge, everyone on a message board has equal say. It could be Mr. Eastman himself responding, or it could be a 10-year-old kid. Contact Kodak via phone or post, like folks had to do in the days of old, or read their online data sheet that talks about this.

    As for the film issue, I have already stated what I know and feel about it in my two previous posts: All film is 100% safe with repeated carry on x-ray exposures, and I would rather have it scanned by these machines than let someone else fiddle with it.
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    Films of ISO 400 and slower are all fine, and show no harmful effects from repeated scanning in airport Xray machines. Kodak testing proved that point years ago!

    The suggestions of hand inspection are from the folks in the USA, where we have such 'rights' to ask for this treatment and expect our wishes to be complied it. Outside the USA, hand inspection requests are a waste of the breathe it consumes to ask!

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    That is pretty much where I am on this. Certainly all film with ASA below 800 is fine for repeated scanning in carry on baggage.

    I get so irritated at the misinformation some people give on this it makes me want to scream. Over the past decade I have made well over 200 trips by air, in the US and abroad (to Canada, Europe, South America and Asia), always carrying with me sheet film and MF film in ASA up to 800. In all that time I have not seen one single piece of film damaged by the hand bag screeners. No one sheet or roll, and on some long trips the film would go through the screeners 10+ times.

    My advice is pretty simple. Don't ask for hand inspection as the risks go up a lot when the TSA folks put their hands on your film. Just carry your valuable film in your carry-on luggage, send it through the scanner without a second thought, and you will not have a problem.

    Of course, there is always this report from a person who flies twice in five years and reports multiple cases of damage to the film. Simply put, I don't believe it. As we all know there are many ways to damage film. The screener for hand luggage is not one of them, unless you send film with high ASA through many, many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F/2F View Post
    All film is fine with repeated scanning in carry on baggage. Do not check your film.

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    My very recent experience was this. TSA in Minneapolis was very accomodating, they wiped each roll down with a hand inspection and ran the test for explosives. When I got to Detroit for my connection to the UK I had to re-check my luggage as I clear customs there. I had a similar experience. This time it was a film buff TSA guy who asked what camera I used etc. and he would ask for hand inspection if he was flying. I went about my trip and exposed my film in the UK. On the way back from Gatwick, the dopey jobsworth TSA type there said NOTHING goes on the airplane without being scanned, period! Hand searches are not allowed. He was a complete p####k about it also stating the cosmic radiation would do more damage than the scanning itself. Even when I stated that the effects are accumulative, he still said no. So I guess it all depends on who you get. If you get a dink, then it's no dice I'm afraid. That said, my film only got scanned one time instead of 3 times.

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    Given that carry on x ray machines quite simply *will not* harm your film, why all the discussion over the various specifics of hand checks? There is only one important issue here, and that is carry on scanners versus checked baggage scanners. Carry on scanners do not tickle the silver, and checked baggage scanners do. That is all you need to know. You can go find out from Kodak, Fuji, Ilford, et al, rather than leaving it up to we with varied responses on the Internet message board.
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