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    Quote Originally Posted by Q.G. View Post
    Is that heavy blue cast produced in scanning, or is it the old film?

    Anyway, if the new Ektar (have yet to try it myself) produced results equal to that of the 25, why would we need an 25 ISO version again?
    There is no blue cast, that's the blue/silver light of mid-afternoon in the mountains with thirteen miles of air to look through. The RGB values of the snow in the glacial fields are identical as scanned and with blue saturation at 0.

    Why 25? Because two film stops is a big deal with some subjects. The shutter speed in EV15 light a f22 is 1/60 with ISO100 media. ISO 25 gets you to 1/15, and a 3 stop ND, which are common, get you to 1/2, which will blur water nicely. Other wise you start stacking NDs or you need to have a B&W 6 or 10 stop ND and those aren't cheap or common.
    Of course one would also hope for tighter grain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthman_1 View Post
    There is no blue cast, that's the blue/silver light of mid-afternoon in the mountains with thirteen miles of air to look through. The RGB values of the snow in the glacial fields are identical as scanned and with blue saturation at 0.
    Nah. That is definitely a blue cast.
    Thirteen miles of air are not between you and the vegetation in the foreground.
    The snow too is blue, the white in the clouds is blue. Everything is blue.

    I have taken the liberty of tuning it towards neutral (just give a shout and the image disappears again). See how the miles between you and the mountains still colour them blue, but not the green in the foreground?





    So if scanned with blue set to neutral, the scanner needs calibrating.


    But what matters is how you like it. So no problem.

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    I'm not psychic, but I would think that if Kodak introduces another Ektar product, it would be 400 speed or faster, not 25 speed. Medium speed emulsions are now so good, and Ektar 100 is already so fine-grained, that only a relatively small percentage of miniature format users would want something even finer. The obvious solution for someone who wants less grain from the 135 version of Ektar 100 is to move up to the 120 version. I suspect that the number of shooters who want a slower Ektar so that they can use slow shutter speeds with water is also very small. But I am happy to leave the marketing research to Kodak.
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    The slowest film makes is a 50-speed movie film, so I don't see them going below that ever again.

    Probably 100 is the slowest we'll see ever again. Still 2/3 of a stop slower than Portra, now that they got rid of the 100T they used to make.

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    A couple thoughts: the current ektar 100 in 35mm gives me mas-o-menos grain free 11x14s. That's pretty amazing. I'm sure it would go to 16x20s with minimal grain but I don't have trays large enough to process those and I haven't yet mastered wrestling large paper sheets in the dark. My epiphany was to realize that I should stop whining about the products kodak doesn't make and admire the beauty of the ones they do.

    Ektar is a neutral balanced film. Overcast conditions will yield a slight blue cast. As I recall, the ektar 25 scans really weirdly, requiring color correction. Anyways, they both enlarge fine...

    I think a microfilm asa 25 style film would be cool, new, and interesting but you're dealing with the limits of the resolution of the glass. I don't really care about a 400 speed landscape film, personally.

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    Ektar is neutral balanced, but it's high contrast. So, if you don't like VC, or UC, you'll probably not like the "New Ektar". It's not the same as an improved 100UC would've been, but it's pretty close.

    Honestly, if one were to shoot 100UC and Ektar, and do a double-blind test, I bet nine out of ten (including myself as one of those nine) wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

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    Isn't the new Ektar 100 derived from motion picture film??? If a 400 speed Movie film was available, I suspect it might be something they could make in 120 or 35mm formats. Then again, I know nothing about the movie business or materials used for it.

    That said, I doubt they would develop it especially for smaller format use first. It makes no business sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Moxom View Post
    Isn't the new Ektar 100 derived from motion picture film???
    No, it just shares the new double electron technology, just like the Portras, and even the Golds now do.

    The reason they are making the lines cross compatible, I suspect, is to save further money on coating.

    There'd be no other reason why they'd improve Portra (Portra-2) in Fall '06 and then turn around and make another improvement less than a year later were in not for the introduction of Vision3.

    Kodak just likes giving everything a positive spin like they went out and did this and that for the customer.

    It's classic consolidation with a name change to camouflage the fact.

    That's not to say that Ektar 100 isn't a good film, but I'm sure it has very little in common with the original other than similar contrast and the same name.

    I mean, is Ektar film related to the crappy Ektar 110 cameras Kodak used to make? Or is it related to Ektar lenses?

    Of course not; they're just Kodak trademarks. Kodachrome and Kodakcolor aren't related. Nor are Ektachrome and Ektapress and Ektacolor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Moxom View Post
    Isn't the new Ektar 100 derived from motion picture film??? If a 400 speed Movie film was available, I suspect it might be something they could make in 120 or 35mm formats. Then again, I know nothing about the movie business or materials used for it.

    That said, I doubt they would develop it especially for smaller format use first. It makes no business sense.
    No. It's a film similar to Ektar 25. They used the same enhancements they had in movie films to achieve a faster speed, ASA 100, without increasing the grain.

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    The 100 and the old 25 were totally different films, I'm afraid, than any that exist today.

    The 100 uses new couplers for better color rendition and image stability. It uses some of the Vision 2 and 3 technology, but also has been changed to work with the C-41 type process. Reciprocity and LIK have been changed as have the room keeping characteristics when compared to Vision film. The coupler dispersion method is totally different than the old Ektar 25. So, the formula does not resemble anything else out there very closely. You might say that it is just another color film for as much similarity there is.

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