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I used it once about 3 years ago, I wasted a lot of it but I did manage to get this.
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 Originally Posted by accozzaglia  Leave the thread open. As long as it is about Kodachrome.
But it hasn't been for quite a while now.
And even then: Kodachrome needs to die for people to start talking about it?
There's something not quite right...
The only new content is that it has now gone. We do know that by now.
The rest wasn't discussed for 74 years, and i don't know why it should now, now that it is too late.
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Well, 3 Hollywood names passed on this week and it took their demise for APUG members to comment. What else is new?
PE
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There's this thing called the eulogy. It's how people work through and bargain their loss for something over which (or someone over whom) fondness, familiarity, and steadfastness cannot be replaced.
There's also this thing about recognizing a good conversation when one materializes on its own.
This thread has both. I love it. If APUG isn't the most suitable place anywhere to hold such a closure for photographers who used Kodachrome, then where else is?
[There are also 51,407 other threads on APUG on which being a topic-compliance gestapo could be better utilized.]
Originally Posted by Q.G. As long as it is about Kodachrome.
But it hasn't been for quite a while now.
And even then: Kodachrome needs to die for people to start talking about it?
There's something not quite right...
The only new content is that it has now gone. We do know that by now.
The rest wasn't discussed for 74 years, and i don't know why it should now, now that it is too late.
Last edited by accozzaglia; 06-28-2009 at 05:47 PM.
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Astrid;
I wish I could have said it as well.
PE
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Nobody likes a good eulogy better than me.
But unions, steel industry, politics, GM ... ?
If that is not a sign that the eulogy has stopped being a eulogy, and that the mourners have already left the funeral and moved on to live the life of the living, forgetting the recently departed, i don't know what is.
So let's open a thread to discuss union politics and how they might or might not have driven the U.S. economy into the ground. (Preferably somewhere where i cannot stumple upon it accidentally)
And for here and now, let's remember the thing that is so often heard: rest in peace.
Let, to borrow from Shakespeare, the rest be silence.
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Well then, you should alert a moderator to kill it.
If so, I'll alert a moderator to sticky-post this thread and keep it open. 
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Originally Posted by Dinesh Too funny. Apparently the guide to Succinct and Concise Delivery costs extra, however.
Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance. http://www.flickr.com/kediwah
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Originally Posted by clayne Apparently the guide to Succinct and Concise Delivery costs extra, however. @accozzaglia: Avail 4 sale on Twitter and Facebook, no less. lol.
Last edited by accozzaglia; 06-28-2009 at 06:48 PM.
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Originally Posted by Q.G. Nobody likes a good eulogy better than me.
But unions, steel industry, politics, GM ... ? ... You missed the point about the reference to GM. It was comparing the corporate mentality at Kodak and GM -- the type of corporate mentality which led to the termination of Kodachrome and Oldsmobile and Pontiac.
Originally Posted by wogster ... GM's main problem is that it's more complex then most governments, there are rules and regulations, and a massive corporate bureaucracy. They decided they could make tons of money selling V8 powered trucks and SUV's, and they did, to the tune of billions of dollars per year, despite the unions. ... You and accozzaglia are correct that there are many other problems, but it's no coincidence that the Big Three (who must deal with the UAW/CAW) are all broke while the other car manufacturers who don't deal with that Union are not broke. I don't want to sound like I'm anti-Union because I am not. I support Unions. However, some Unions get greedy to the point they kill the goose that lays their golden eggs. Just look at the current city garbage workers strike in Toronto where they have 18 paid sick days per year which they can accumulate till retirement. Such Union benefits are ridiculous!
Originally Posted by Photo Engineer ... Terry argues financial issues without knowing that film manufacture is far more complex than his rather simple idealistic models encompass. He visualizes a new film or an old one put into production with a snap of the fingers, and a shutdown the same way.
It ain't so! Film making is on the order of complexity of genetic engineering. ... Now Ron, 
I've never talked about making a "new" Film -- just K64 & 25, and I am fully aware that making Film is very "complex". I never suggested it is as easy as a snap of the fingers. I believe that where there's a will there's a way. I am not a defeatist. I am simply an old-fashioned firm believer in customer service and loyalty, and I don't apologize for believing in quality service. I don't subscribe to the Wall Street song of money money money -- money! I prefer service service service -- loyalty! I'm afraid that you often sound like you think Kodak should just quit making Film altogether.  
... So, a simple financial model of restarting Kodachrome (or indeed any product) does not take into account the difficulty and cost of simply shutting down a coating machine for a weekend, or a missed coating slot due to a fumbled emulsion make that has not been made for a few years and the engineer is out of practice. ...
I'm sure you're not saying that Kodak makes all of its non-Kodachrome Films throughout all 52 weeks a year. Don't they run off those Films intermittently, and then "shut down" production? Well, that's all I suggest for K64. A pre-paid ordering system would mean that Kodak wouldn't have to store the Master Roll in a freezer for two years -- it would be mostly sold in advance! Regarding production errors, doesn't Kodak carry insurance coverage for such things? :o
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