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Steve;
What are you smoking? Forget the pills!
PE
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 Originally Posted by Photo Engineer  Steve;
What are you smoking? Forget the pills!
PE PE,
You got me. I am smoking the same stuff the rest of the "We can convince Kodak to save Kodachrome" is smoking.
Steve
Warning!! Handling a Hasselblad can be harmful to your financial well being! Nothing beats a great piece of glass! I leave the digital work for the urologists and proctologists.
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Originally Posted by TerryM Paul, I never said that Kodak shouldn't sell ALL of their Film products directly, but rather the opposite. They should directly sell everything, or connect their customers to Dealers who carry the specific Film they want -- as the JVC Website does for their products. I don't think that you'll see Dealers or Stores dropping Kodak products which are selling well.
The simple fact is that it's possible to make a profit at anything as long as you charge enough money. Where there's a will there's a way! However, people with a "defeatist" mentality don't have the "will", and they will always fail. How is that different from what they are doing with the major mail orders dealers now? Other than maybe making it easier to find?
You can go to freestyle, adorama or B&H in the states and order just about any still film you want. The dealers get restocked fairly often as they do move a good deal of product.
The movie film distribution is direct to the customer as the Average customer for that product is buying a fair amount at a time. Lets say you were doing a 20 minute documentary in 16mm and were expecting to shoot 10:1 (a low shooting ratio) You would need 200 minutes of film at 24FPS - which if I calculated it correctly is 18 400ft rolls at about 375 dollars each. $6,750.00 - that makes it worthwhile to sell direct, and a dealer will not want to keep that stock. If you are doing a Bollywood 100 minute 35mm production the price of your raw stock is even higher! those of us who buy one roll of movie film are a drag on the system.
It is unfortunate that Kodak did not mothball one of their smaller plants. Toronto was probably 1/10 the capacity of the Rochester and so might have had a lower break even point. but when the decline of sales was slower it made good sense to just use that demand to keep the big line running full out. The Chinese plant was high scoring but I am not sure of it had the latest equipment.
I am sure that George Eastman would have kept at least one of the other plants open as the old Kodak way was to "control an alternative." The story is legendary of Eastman suddenly being unable to make plates that would work, and shutting his factory and going to the plant in the UK to try and find what was wrong (Gelatine)
On another part of this thread;;_It is a big one)
I understand that Kodak makes LOTS of their Digital revenue from licensing the various imaging patents that cover stuff that any of the digicam makers need. Does that also show as revenue for the digital imaging group or is it somewhere over in the adjustments.
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Originally Posted by Photo Engineer Reminds me of a James Bond theme song.
No one can do it better...................
There is a thread here on photomaterial quality. It is important to consider that thread in this context.
Kodak could not farm out production. When they tried, they found quality to be inferior to the US/France/England production.
PE Well, I was talking Harmon and Fujifilm here, not Foma and Lucky....
Which movie was that theme song, I can remember the tune, one of the Connery's I think, possibly Moore, think it was too early for Dalton (who I never liked in the role), I really like the current guy for the role though....
Paul Schmidt
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There is an abandoned Tortilla factory near here. It's got pipes and stuff, I was in there. What else do I need, besides a recipe and some tin foil?
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Warning!! Handling a Hasselblad can be harmful to your financial well being! Nothing beats a great piece of glass! I leave the digital work for the urologists and proctologists.
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A couple of people have asked me over the last few days what I am going to do now that Kodak no longer makes film. This is the sort of problem you create when you shut down a flagship brand. I'm having trouble thinking of another example of another company other than Coca Cola whose brand is so deeply tied to a single product, however.
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Originally Posted by Sirius Glass Then Kodak will start advertising film and how great film is!
Steve I've noticed that kodak isn't very active in promoting film. Fuji has presence here, has the "Choose film" campaign, and they seem to promote more the medium.
Lately, I've not seen any action of kodak trying to promote film.
Originally Posted by DBP A couple of people have asked me over the last few days what I am going to do now that Kodak no longer makes film. This is the sort of problem you create when you shut down a flagship brand. I'm having trouble thinking of another example of another company other than Coca Cola whose brand is so deeply tied to a single product, however. Oh, yes, I've seen it often these weeks in the internet. "Kodak stop making film".
No one said me that in person, though. Just as simple that no one have heard these news here. I thought that Kodachrome's discontinue would appear on the news, but it didn't.
(gee, the spell check plugin corrects kodakchrome to Kodachrome, nice)
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Originally Posted by JBrunner There is an abandoned Tortilla factory near here. It's got pipes and stuff, I was in there. What else do I need, besides a recipe and some tin foil? I for one would be willing to pay a bit of a premium for photosensitive tortillas. I could eat my msitakes!
The question is, would you sell them through grocery stores or photo stores? And are you planning to make sheet tortillas in metric sizes?
-NT
Nathan Tenny
San Diego, CA, USA
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Originally Posted by wogster Well, I was talking Harmon and Fujifilm here, not Foma and Lucky....
Which movie was that theme song, I can remember the tune, one of the Connery's I think, possibly Moore, think it was too early for Dalton (who I never liked in the role), I really like the current guy for the role though.... Firstoff, do you really think Kodak would want Fuji coating their products by giving Fuji their formulas? OTOH, translation to another plant would be very expensive and difficult. It was bad enough to build a plant to Kodak specs in China and try producing film there. And that has shut down.
The film, IIRC, was "The Spy Who Loved Me".
PE
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