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    Crystal Archive vs Supra Endura

    hey all,

    i gots me a simple question, which has a few parts to it.

    I'll be starting a color darkroom class at school in just a few weeks, and having had some previous experience doing color darkroom work with CA, I have been looking to pick up another box.

    I was at samys today, and thought about getting a box of Supra Endura instead, but after seeing that it was only available in 50sht boxes, I put my money back in pocket and walked out, somewhat disappointed. So, basically my question is:

    1.What real differences are there between the two? I shoot only Kodak Portra C-41 films, and I've heard that they work better with Kodak paper, but I've gotten good results from CA so far.

    2. I don't do many loooooong exposures in the darkroom, but does one paper have better reciprocity characteristics? If that is a valid question for this topic?

    3. Consistency from batch to batch? I know that its good to test, test, test; but I don't have an analyzer with control strips, etc, just my eye. Any conclusions?

    4. Which one do you personally prefer, just out of curiosity? And why?

    5. Which one do you think will be around for the longest time in sheet form? I got a roll of 12" metallic a few months back, and have been cutting down 12x16 sheets and 9.5x12 sheets, but frankly, I know that $ can be saved by cutting down rolls, but I value my time more than that, more time creating/taking great pictures !

    any help/recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I'm trying to standardize my workflow (if i can call it that), and be as consistent as I can, so I don't want to bounce back and forth, etc.

    thanks

    -dan
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    My understanding is the Kodak is designed to work with more variables, such as different brand of chemicals, tempatures, films.

    Important to me is not only is it a great product from a great company, its an American company providing jobs to Americans. OK, maybe that is old fashion, and I do buy imports, but lately, buying imports is becoming the only choice. Not good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotch View Post
    My understanding is the Kodak is designed to work with more variables, such as different brand of chemicals, tempatures, films.

    Important to me is not only is it a great product from a great company, its an American company providing jobs to Americans. OK, maybe that is old fashion, and I do buy imports, but lately, buying imports is becoming the only choice. Not good.
    funny though , the Kodak box says that the paper is made in England, at least the last box I looked at a year or so ago.

    but I agree, keeping MY money in OUR country is very important to me. Sending it overseas doesn't improve our economy very much IMO

    The school is PCC (Pasadena City College), and they use a Kreonite? processor with Kodak RA-4 chemistry.


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    As a student at RIT, I would probably be drawn and quartered if I showed up with a box of CA, so for that reason I use Endura. I like the paper though, so the slightly higher cost and availability only in 50 sheet boxes is not an issue for me. The N surface is excellent.

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    I'am very happy using CA for years now. Nice paper, easy to handle with any film brand or developer.
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    As much as I love Japan and Fujifilm, I continue to buy Endura for my color printing needs.

    Were in tough economic times and companies that make "archaic" products are not doing too well. I think spending money to support an American company is smart idea. Besides my patriotic agenda, I think Endura works wayyyyy better with the Portra films. I'm sure the engineers at kodak tested the paper using Portra, so I think it's a good idea to go with kodak stuff.

    Leave Crystal Archive for the minilabs. Use Endura.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielStone View Post
    funny though , the Kodak box says that the paper is made in England, at least the last box I looked at a year or so ago.

    but I agree, keeping MY money in OUR country is very important to me. Sending it overseas doesn't improve our economy very much IMO
    I believe most, if not all, Kodak paper is made here in England, whereas all films are coated in US (but finished in Mexico).

    So you buy "our" paper, we buy "your" film. International trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by railwayman3 View Post
    I believe most, if not all, Kodak paper is made here in England, whereas all films are coated in US (but finished in Mexico).

    So you buy "our" paper, we buy "your" film. International trade.
    Very true. If we didn't have international trade the analog photography market might be very much worse off. I presume the USA wants to be able to export manufactured products to the European Union and other countries or political entities.

    Tom

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    I prefer Endura. I think it is better all around.
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    I like them both, though with Fuji ProS (or what ever it is called) I like the Fuji Paper. It is a bit more vibrant and seems to have whiter whites. I've had no issues with Ektar 100 on the CA paper, but my experience with it has been limited.

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