I don't know how it is determined that it is illegal. I searched USPS web site and could not find clearly spelled out words that say it is illegal to ship any particular photographic chemical. If one ships one and if it leaks the shipper may face a steep legal battle. It is unclear how steep such a battle may be.
Originally Posted by tiberiustibz
The funny thing is when I last visited Chang's Photo Supply (a chemical/paper supplier to California processing labs) they had a van fully loaded with chemicals ready to make their daily delivery all over the San Francisco Bay Area. It is of course legal to ship such high volume of chemicals in a van that is not any different from all the vans running in the streets. It is only illegal when you pay the government agency (USPS) to ship a few small bottles of the same thing. I guess their large fleet of USPS trucks and vans for some reason are not safe enough to do the job. It is however, extremely effective in killing all mail order sales of (small quantity of) photographic chemicals.
Not that I disagree but I believe it is UPS not USPS that was specifically mentioned. Although it gets complicated now that USPS handles the final delivery for some packages from other shippers (UPS may be among them, not sure).
Originally Posted by mtjade2007
The UPS hazardous material details are here:
Thanks for the link. It does say, under the web page "Common items that may be hazardous", that photographic supply "Could contain acids, corrosive materials, bleaches, or poisonous materials". Such a statement is so unclear that it may or may not apply to anything photographic. I guess if one ships a bottle of distilled water for photographic use it may be hazardous too. If it spills the shipper will be in big trouble if the bottle says photographic supply.
My guess (again just a guess) is since it is not specifically spelled out you can ship them as long as they do not spill. Once there is a spill the shipper will be 100% liable for the consequence. Only hazmat licensed shipper can ship (and spill) without liabilities.
I wonder about the Kodak C41 Bleach Start. I think this won't work as Bleach by itself and that just ordering the Bleach and using one shot without Starter is the way. Then again, I don't know. I tried to check this out earlier today but find out anything conclusive about it.
Originally Posted by Cymen
I think all those numbers are wrong as they are for Kodak Flexicolor not Kodak Flexicolor SM. It looks like I made the same mistakes as those earlier in this thread. Not sure how I missed some of the posts here.
I noticed Unique Photo has everything needed but minimum requirements make the total $272.02 plus $38.80 for UPS ground to my location. Ordering just the developer and bleach from them would be $112.67 plus $16.31 for UPS ground. That would be 6 x 1756337 @ $8.15/per which is Kodak Flexicolor SM Tank Developer 2L and 2 x 8824690 @ $23.73/per which is Kodak Flexicolor SM Tank Bleach 2.7G (the 6 and 2 are the minimum order amount at that site).
Removed some excessive griping about getting these chemicals. It appears to be possible with some legwork. I'll ask Unique Photo if there is any additional shipping fee.
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I have been investigating ways one could possible ship the chemicals. I looked at USPS, FedEx, UPS, and Grayhound Bus. All of them will not ship items considered corrosive which is what C-41 bleach and developer is considered. These new restrictions are a result of 911.
Originally Posted by Cymen
I believe shipping by freight will add an extra $35 to the freight charge if the chemicals are corrosive. Base on their shipping fees I do not think there will be much difference in freight charges for one bottle or ten bottles of chemistry. Perhaps the only solution is to suck up the freight charges and order enough chemistry for several years and refrigerate the unmixed chemistry. This is a real mess. Some kind of distinction should be made for mildly corrosive chemistry.
If you have a friend or belong to a club that uses C-41, you could batch up your orders and split the shipping cost between you.
The hardest thing to source is the Bleach.
Adorama will ship smaller sizes of Flexicolor Developer/Replenisher (you dont necessarily need to use the SM version) but of course they are out of both types and the Developer starter also.
You just need to watch their site because they don't have a "notify when in stock" option like B/H does. If you see they have the products, dont delay because the stuff gets snatched up these days.
I feel your pain because it took me a month to figure out the best strategy and I eventually resorted to eBay for an off brand Bleach that ended up being a decent deal.
I did just receive my RA 4 stuff from Adorama in the 10L sizes so we'll see how that goes.
I just got my bleach off eBay as well, even though I currently don't need it...still have 4 liters of Tetenal left to use. I am too easily swayed by bold letters saying "LAST ONE!" It's damn heavy...wish I could have had it delivered to my home instead of office but of course...it's UPS and UPS is a pain in the ass for home delivery in NYC.
Anyway, I mentioned last night at Adorama how sometimes things are on the website but aren't actually in the store--last night that item was Photographer's Formulary hypo-test, grrr--and the guy said the site only reflects what should be in stock in their warehouse in New Jersey, which is why the website will claim certain things I can't find are in stock...which I guess shouldn't affect online orders, but it's frustrating for locals. I've been wondering about all those C41 chems myself. I don't think I've ever seen them on the shelf. They may be in the basement...but I'd be betting New Jersey on that one too.
B&H, Adorama, or whatever all sell Kodak chemicals at retail prices. If you need shipping the total cost of chemical purchase can be difficult. I am in California and there is no way I can purchse chemicals from NY City. The largest photographic supplier that I can reach locally sells only the smallest packages with much ballooned prices. I understand their store front overhead. I had to look for a better solution.
Well, the Bay Area is a large area with a lot of cities. There must be wholesale suppliers who supply chemicals to photo labs in the Bay Area. I made friend with a minilab owner by giving him some business. Then I asked him to tell me where the wholesale suppliers are. I successfully located Chang's Photo Supply headquartered in Los Angeles but with a distribution warehouse in Hayward (East Bay of Bay Area). I do have to buy larger quantity of chemicals at a time. But the prices were way down from retail prices and I can pick up the chemicals myself.
This is Chang's Photo Supply web site: http://www.changsphoto.com/
I am not related to Chang's Photo in any way. The web site info is for anyone who is looking for ways to source chemicals to get an idea what's typically available from a wholesale supplier. You need to find one like that in your area and try to buy from there. Don't worry about buying bulk. Unopened chemicals can last several years. I have dealt with two such suppliers. They did not mind if I am a business or not. They did not mind the total dollar amount I spent with them. Chang's photo did ask me for a CA sales permit number. I did have one so it was easy. But I believe you just need to tell them that you have a Jobo ATL processor. They will sell whatever they have to anyone.
By the way, the warehouse of both suppliers were impressive. They have tons of supplies that made my eyes wide open. What's more impressive is they said it takes maybe 10 days for all that piles of stuff to clear and be restocked again. I was happy to fill up the trunk of my car before leaving. The second supplier was in Los Angeles and I have forgotten its name.
Since I am near Chicago (50miles) and use to live there, I thought for sure there must be a supplier somewhere in the area. Well, I could not find any. I did find one in Milwaukee (a wee bit closer) however, they were acquired by a larger firm, and they closed Milwaukee and now everything gets shipped from the Twin Cities.
I also called some of the larger camera stores, Central Camera, Helix, apparently they never sell color chemicals any more. Calumet, if they have it in stock, would be the best option, although I would rather not have to travel that far to pick up.
I am hoping that Photographic Formula succeeds in their repackaging of the chemicals and that they are an affordable solution. I think its likely they will have the right chemicals.