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    So, this indicates that they have enough stuff to supply it for a year or so. Still, this probably means it won't be produced anymore after it's all gone. Probably they won't also produce more Ultra Endura because it wouldn't make any sense to discontinue Supra but continue making Ultra. Ultra just lasts longer because it's probably used less. I guess we'll hear about discontinuation of Ultra Endura in 2010. But, if the global economical situation gets better, maybe not.

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    Just FYI. I was able to get some of the VC paper from a local lab and try it compared to the regular stuff. Each image is from the same 4x5 negative. Forgive the fingerprints and dust, I wasn't going for exhibition quality, just a comparison of color and contrast.

    The old paper needed 7.7 seconds at f22 with 85Y and 80M. The VC needed 7 seconds at f22 with 58Y and 68M. My goal was to match density and color balance on the small rooftop section with the satellite dish. I was not able to get it 100% before I ran out of test paper.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Supra.jpg   SupraVC.jpg  
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    Which is the VC
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    VC is on the right.

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    I like the VC more but I can't tell if that's the warmer balance or actual curves difference. I would need a portrait shot to compare the two because the difference is said to occur when balancing for flesh tones that you get crossover.

    I also emailed Kodak and received this. Is this guy on crack or am I hallucinating or is it really true?

    Dear Nicholas,

    Thank you for contacting us with your concern regarding the availability of Kodak Professional Supra Endura Paper for your optical printing needs.

    Although many of our roll stock of Kodak Professional Supra Endura Paper has transitioned to Kodak Professional Supra Endura VC Paper, we continue to offer the Kodak Professional Supra Endura Paper in sheet sizes through most dealers of Kodak Professional products. The backorder of the 8x10 you ordered has likely been due to photographers like yourself who mistakenly believe that we have discontinued this paper. Your dealer should have been provided with information on the expected availability of your backorder.

    Please let us know if we may be of further assistance with this or other of our Kodak Professional products.

    Sincerely,
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    Does "continue to" express long term intentions?

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    Yes, but look at http://www.apug.org/forums/forum40/6...tml#post882025 :

    "We will continue to be offering Supra Endura in sheets at least into 2010."

    I think this just means that they have enough stock to support the needs for a year or something.

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    The VC is definitely higher in contrast, though with this image it is not objectionably so. I prefer it in this instance. It is warmer as well, but there is no skin tone to look at. It is not as contrasty as Ultra. If I am able to get more to try, I may see if PE's suggestion of longer printing and less development will lower the contrast. The suggested beginning starting pack for Supra is 55Y and 65M. The VC is pretty close to that, while the older needed a lot more filtration. But that is just this image. As I said earlier, I can work with the different qualities of this paper, but if it becomes the only choice, I need it in sheets. I can cut it for myself, but students will be screwed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hrst View Post
    Yes, but look at http://www.apug.org/forums/forum40/6...tml#post882025 :

    "We will continue to be offering Supra Endura in sheets at least into 2010."

    I think this just means that they have enough stock to support the needs for a year or something.
    The author of that post already said they only asked about 2010. He might have gotten a different answer if he asked about a later date.
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    Is This Paper That Good?

    I have not printed color in over a decade. Is this the best color photo paper? Is it the only choice? Don't blast me, I really want the information.

    On the economics ... I think Kodak only sells sheet color paper because some professional labs continue to use enlargers. A pro lab (with a few wedding photographers still shooting film) will consume more paper in a month than ten amateurs will consume in a year.

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