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    tetenal ra4 monobath vs ektacolor prime

    hello friends could you tell me the difference between this two paper developer? in terms of color and sharpness..

    both have the blix.

    thanks

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    Don't buy Tetenal RA4. It will give you stained, yellowish highlights and leaves silver to the image. I've used three kits, none of them really worked. It's all about luck; if you somehow happen to get a new kit that's been only a few months on the shelf, you can get good results, but even then you have to watch out that you don't carry on the blix for more than a minute as it will still give you some yellowish stain.

    I changed to Kodak RA-4 and now my whites are whites! It's a nice feeling after two years of getting bad prints.

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    The Tetenal RA-4 kits are superb, I buy the minilab kit's which my dealer splits up, they are equally as good as the Kodak of Fuji products. these are commercial products in daily use for colour processing. if you have problems it's from improper use.

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    the kodak blix is premixed as tetenal? when the tetenal kit is good the color is ok or a bit desaturated ?

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    The quality from the Tetenal chemistry should match the Kodak, they use the same process control strips to test them with minilabs, there's definitely no de-saturation. When I RA-4 print I replenish the Dev & Blix in a Nova 3 slot tank system.

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    Ian, if you talk about bigger kits, they may have separate concentrates for different parts as they should. You are probably right that they are the same quality as Kodak stuff. Buy them if they are easily available.

    However, OP asked about "tetenal ra4 monobath". If it means the 2,5 liter kit that has "monoconcentrates", then all I said earlier apply. I'm not the only one encountered these problems. Search APUG for more information. In addition, these are not so easy to mix as "monoconcentrate" sounds like. The developer needs vigorous shaking for minute or two; in the same time, you could have mixed the developer from three separate concentrates. And the blix works only if it's fresh, say, less than 6-9 months from manufacturing time. And there is no date in the packages - only a serial number. You can ask Tetenal when the kit is manufactured.

    Easier way is to buy decent stuff; not these "mono-concentrates".

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrst View Post
    Easier way is to buy decent stuff; not these "mono-concentrates".
    Buying the Minilab Tetenal chemistry is actually much cheaper, and it'll keep better. There could be issues with the single bath blix going off, but the single bath Photocolor Blix was superb, and kept well.

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    i have used this tetenal kit for the first time one years ago....after 5 months i ahve reused the same open kit and the paper seems to be yellow and later ..brown.....with a slight silver retention....
    the only problem is the whites???? or generally the color ??

    i have used also tetenal c41 with blix and the kit last for 8 months...after this time there s a yellow stain in the blix...and i have put it in the trash!

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzyc View Post
    the kodak blix is premixed as tetenal? when the tetenal kit is good the color is ok or a bit desaturated ?
    Kodak BLIX comes in two parts. Easy to mix and has a decent shelf life.

    When the Tetenal kit is good, the results are very close.

    I made a side-to-side comparison using the newest Tetenal kit (the one I got as a compensation from Tetenal - it's probably quite fresh). This applies to the 2,5 LITER MONO-CONCENTRATE KIT:

    With Tetenal, contrast is a little bit higher in shadows and you see less shadow detail (1min at 24C), compared to Kodak replenisher 2min10sec at 24C. However, this difference is very slight. The results could be same if Tetenal processing time is lowered to, say, 45-50 seconds.

    Color balance is same.

    Color saturation is same.

    Tetenal blix, even when fresh and working, gives a little yellowish stain. This is hard to notice. However, you HAVE to be careful with blix time. So short as possible to clear all the silver -- 45 secs to 1 min. Otherwise there will be more stain.

    So, the differences are quite small. HOWEVER. This applies only to WORKING Tetenal blix. When it goes bad, the effects are horrible --- and yes, it GOES bad easily. It can be bad even when you buy it. Silver left to print, leading to lower saturation and too dark images; halides left to print, causing prints to darken even more in light; horrible brown staining.

    I've bought three kits. One of them had bad blix straight from the start. Two other worked occasionally, but the blix went bad quite quickly after mixing with water. These kind of random problems are not funny at all. I want a product that simply works. And it's not cheap to buy stuff that goes bad quickly. Now I bought 20 liter KODAK kit from Ag Photographic. Comes as four 5-liter kits so you don't have to open big concentrate bottles that would go bad more quickly. The price was twice a Tetenal's 2,5-liter kit. So, I got four 5-liter kits with a price of one. And these work!

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    PE has told us it is pretty much impossible to make cheap mono-concentrate BLIX that would keep good. At least Kodak couldn't make it, would Tetenal have found a secret receipe? No, judging by hrst's experienced (we are in same Photo club in Tampere, Finland).

    As PE said, bleach and fix will not stay good for too long if they are mixed together. Often it takes more than a month or two for the concentrates to get the the user, so it could already be bad when he gets it.

    The same applies for all MONO kits. Bleach and fix should only be mixed by the final user to expect a decent storage time for the Blix.

    It shouldn't be too hard to have 2 bottles instead of just one, if it has this big advantages... And the makers of these kits should know it, I think. Especially now that there are not that many users and the bottles might sit on the shelfes much longer than they used to.

    So, they might work if they are still fresh... And they still might give you pictures if they are already bad, but not just like the ones you get with fresh BLIX.

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