I completely agree. Prices here in QLD are terrible. I want to strangle a cat whenever I hear an American talk about their $2.80 rolls and complain that film is expensive in whatever way. In this city I'd be lucky to get one roll of B&W 35mm/36exposure or 120 film for under $14, that is $12usd!
Originally Posted by Athiril
And it is impossible to get HC-110 without spending $100 or more (but that is for another rant)
That is why I buy 10 roll packs off ebay.
100 AUD for a litre of HC-110 concentrate?
If you turn them all into pieces of art, I don't care where you get your film, but remember to subscribe to APUG when you get into the big bucks!
Originally Posted by DanielStone
IMHO the prices on Fleabay for proper in date film are excessive compared to even high street sources in the UK.
Anyone who thinks that ebay is a reliable source of bargains these days is to put it honestly a bit optimistic
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I agree that in the UK, ebay is not a cheap option for fresh film, and most of the expired stuff is one or two rolls of Gold/Superia/Vista found in a drawer. It's been a few years now since I've found film bargains on ebay.
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I must be the only person on this forum who hasn't an e bay account and has never bought anything on it. I use Fuji film and buy it on line direct from Fuji UK, I don't find the prices too bad, and they have some good special offers
Originally Posted by Aurum
Superia 100 in 120 can be had for $3.36AUD/roll, Provia 100f 120 about $5.60/roll. They are absolute bargains. While it may be possible to get it cheaper in the UK or US, this is the absolute cheapest price available to an Australian, freestyle, B&H and others rip us off big time with the shipping charges (start at $40 to $50 U.S. - which is a rip off, Ive had someone send me heavier bigger stuff for much less).
The most expensive roll of film I've seen here in a shop was about $35 to $40, Provia 400X in 35mm.
Last I checked Vanbar does not stock or even sell HC-110, therefore getting it will be a pain, and quite expensive, even if anywhere else in Australia does sell it.
Originally Posted by Tom Kershaw
Vanbar is expensive when compared to UK and US places, but in reality its cheap and stocks a superb range in comparison to any other Australian supplier, all others are just rip offs in chems and other things, and don't stock or sell anything other than the absolute basics.
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Hell's bell's, I bought Quickloads new at full retail from MPEX last fall which turned out to be expired (and they didn't exactly fall all over themselves to remedy the situation). Being that it was Fujicolor Pro160s it was fine, I might add.
Would I have rather paid 1/2 price and known that it was expired ahead of that surprise discovery? You betcha!
Next question-- will I ever buy anything from MPEX ever again?
The traditional bricks and mortar businesses are hurting for a variety of reasons, not just eBay.
I think sometimes good purchases can be made on eBay, and I have done so in the past when my finances didn't allow fresh film, which was often.
After a few years of shooting expired film with varying results, I decided it was false economy to continue. So I forced myself to shoot less film and always buy fresh. It costs more initially, but the results are consistent, and I know what to expect.
What I have seen lately, though, is that when I do pop into the auction site, just for giggles, I see prices of film that are pretty high! It's close to that of Freestyle, especially if you go for their inexpensive private label film, like Legacy Pro or the 'faux Kodak' stuff. So to me it doesn't make sense anymore. It is a bit of a crap shoot to buy expired film.
To answer the original question - I think it does maybe hurt the fresh film market, but it's natural that it occurs. You might argue that it would be a waste to just dispose of the film without using it, even if it's old. And if it's cheaper, obviously some photographers don't mind paying less for something that is a bit of a risk quality wise. Supply and demand. The old expired film wouldn't be sold unless there was a market for it.
And, it's good with competition for the fresh film suppliers. Without competition the prices might be even higher than they are on fresh film.
Buy what you can afford, (and that could mean to shoot less and still buy fresh), and go make some pictures!
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I don't know what Kodak, Ilford or Fuji's full film coating capacity is/was but I'm sure it is millions and millions of square yards of product. I don't think eBay film sales are even a blip in comparison...Ec