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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Legge View Post
    It is at least partly an intentional style call. A lot of people playing with film like vintage looks - and low contrast, etc shots are part of that. I think it is similar to the popularity of holga style shots.

    I think it is also a reaction to the highly processed, high saturation, photoshopped, perfect images people see so frequently. Something of a 'flaws are beautiful' attitude.
    In short, a fad that might pass.

    This look is not what I want the majority of people to envision when people speak of "the beauty of film" or "the earthiness of film" or "digital is sterile compared to film".

    I think it's gone far enough.

    Either that or we'll all have to start underexposing our print film to keep up with the flickr Joneses. Honestly, I think that's a waste of my money in most cases. Very rarely do I want that look.

    I much prefer Jose Villa's bright, overexposed Fuji Frontier scanner look to these bland underexposed ones. But I like well-exposed, well-scanned negs the best.

    I'm not against the look if anyone is successful with it. But it's at the point where people are going to start thinking this is how film is supposed to look ideally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F/2F View Post
    Lots of people are crummy photographers, content wise, technique wise, or both. Flicker does not disallow these people from signing up.
    Which is exactly why I've said, and still maintain, that you cannot get a decent idea of how ANY film stacks up against another when looking at samples from Flickr or any other photo sharing site. Sure there are good examples there, but you don't run across too many of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fschifano View Post
    ...you cannot get a decent idea of how ANY film stacks up against another when looking at samples from Flickr or any other photo sharing site.
    Yup!

    (Or is it nope?)
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    But that's why I love Flickr

    Quote Originally Posted by 2F/2F View Post
    Lots of people are crummy photographers, content wise, technique wise, or both. Flicker does not disallow these people from signing up.
    I love photography and the Internet because it's so democratic. During the days of William Randoph Hearst, he owned the printing press and he churned out crap. Now I have the delight of finding great unknown photographers among the mediocre on Flickr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainecoonmaniac View Post
    I love photography and the Internet because it's so democratic. During the days of William Randoph Hearst, he owned the printing press and he churned out crap. Now I have the delight of finding great unknown photographers among the mediocre on Flickr
    You will notice that I did not say whether or not I thought it was a good thing or a bad thing.
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    could it be that the people anningscay their film don't know
    how to oostbay their evelslay so they look like the print ?

    i don't think it is just bad technique, bad photography and bad content
    although it would be much easier to say it is ...
    it is an art form in itself to finesse a anscay into something that looks like the print.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    could it be that the people anningscay their film don't know
    how to oostbay their evelslay so they look like the print ?

    i don't think it is just bad technique, bad photography and bad content
    although it would be much easier to say it is ...
    it is an art form in itself to finesse a anscay into something that looks like the print.
    This is why I said content wise and/or technique wise. That way, it could be either one alone, or both!

    There are four options:

    1. Bad content, bad technique
    2. Bad content, good technique
    3. Good content, bad technique
    4. Good content, good technique

    Scanning and levels adjustment are just technical aspects, so the content could be very good, but just digitized in a non-flattering way.

    The goodness or badness of content is, of course, subjective, and I would not say that it is anything but!
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    sorry 2f - i didn't equate bad aningscay as technique, i thought the technique you were
    referring to was behind the camera

    and again, we are in full agreement
    john

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    could it be that the people anningscay their film don't know
    how to oostbay their evelslay so they look like the print ?

    i don't think it is just bad technique, bad photography and bad content
    although it would be much easier to say it is ...
    it is an art form in itself to finesse a anscay into something that looks like the print.
    huh? why are you talking elvish?
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