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    Kodak Flexicolor III Replenisher

    Hi all,

    I tool the plunge while it is still possible to do so and purchased the 12.5 gallon kit of Bleach III, Part A and Part B along with the Bleach Starter. So I won't have to worry about buying C-41 bleach at a reasonable cost for several years. Here's my questions:

    1. Instead of mixing 12.5 gallons of replenisher, I'd like to mix say 1 gallon at a time. If I do this would it be better to mix a 1 gallon working tank solution with starter or just 1 gallon of the replenisher and make a working tank olution as I need? I guess my real question is will the working tank solution have a shorter "shelf life" than the mixed replenisher?

    2. The chemistry came in blatter containers in which a kodak screw cap dispenser is used to dispense the chemistry. Does anyone have one they would like to see or know where I can get one?

    Thanks for your help.

    Thomas

    PS: The stockhouse I purchased from will ship and is located in LA and has 1 kit left. My total cost with shipping and tax was $232.00. PM me for their contact information if you're looking to purchase the same.

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    I think the keeping properties of c 41 bleaches are very good and if you process a reasonable amont of film you won't need to worry about it going bad.

    I'm sure PE will answer with more specifics but I dout you wil have a problem

    On a side note, I had problems sourcing the starter and just omitted it on the advice of members here and have had no issues due to lack of the starter.

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    Thanks for the reply Bruce.

    I don't expect the unmixed bleach to go bad (when I asked Kodak they responded with a 5 year shelf life but I'm sure that's the fall-back to length of time as they couldn't come out and say "indefinite" for obvious reasons) but what I am uncertain of is whether or not this particular bleach, when mixed as a tank solution ready to go, will last as long as their ready-mixed product. In other words did they add any ingredients to the latter to increase its shelf life? Rather than mixing a gallon of Replenisher, I'd rather mix a gallon of tank solution ready to use.

    BTW, you can get the starter from Calumet.

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    I have seen the unmixed and mixed bleach both survive for 5 years or more.

    As for starter, it is not really needed with the bleach. It is used to just tweak the pH.

    PE

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    I ended up with some off brand imitation Bleach III off ePrey that was fairly cheap so I scarfed up 10 gallons and it has been discontinued.
    They had their own starter but after asking here I just decided to say screw it and run some tests/expired film through it but it works well and I replenish a half gallon working solution and then I pull what I need for a dev session from that 1/2 gallon.

    The nice thing about it is that you don't have to worry about oxidation/air with the bleach as I understand it and the Kodak Bleach III even calls for aeration... so I shake my bleach once in a while but I'm running small inversion tanks so I figure it gets aerated with agitation.
    (holy runon sentence batman)

    Wonder what we'll do when the Kodak stuff gets discontinued.
    Your experience just goes to show what a hassle and expense it is to get now.
    Last edited by brucemuir; 04-02-2010 at 07:59 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    If it gets discontinued, I just happen to know the formula!

    So there!

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    Thanks for the replies.

    I'm going to mix it as a tank solution by the gallon. That's how I use to purchase it before they discontinued the 1-gallon ready to use product which cost ~$25.00/gallon. I'll have to mix this but the the price of 1-gallon drops from the $25 range to $17.47 or $4.60/Liter - not enough of a saving to motivate me to switch before they discontinued the ready to use product - but surely now when the replacement cost me $38.95 + tax for 2.7L or $15.83/Liter!

    PE: Don't forget to post that formula on this forum when it is discontinued or you, heaven forbid, pass away. Make sure that is in your will!

    Thomas

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    You could always go with a ferricyanide bleach. Easy to buy and mix and cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    If it gets discontinued, I just happen to know the formula!

    So there!

    PE
    Now if only we could find a source for the chemicals... I'm having a hell of a time finding ferric ammonium EDTA (much less the PDTA that's used in bleach III). I managed to accidentally order ferric ammonium sulfate from the photographers formulary instead of EDTA; they don't seem to carry ferric ammonium EDTA anymore.
    I need to stop buying things so late at night.
    The only other place I found that sells it is in china, and they only sell it by the 250kg barrel or more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPC View Post
    You could always go with a ferricyanide bleach. Easy to buy and mix and cheaper.

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    But the process is far more complex. You need an set of washes and a clearing bath.

    As for NH4FeEDTA, the Formulary probably still has it. Since it is a low demand item it is not in the catalog. They may have run out though and may not wish to reorder in bulk for one user.

    Anyhow, I know how to get around that.

    PE

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