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    Kodak's C-41 chemistry seems to have become somewhat of a mess since the discontinuation of the one-gallon Flexicolor items. I used to be able to go into Samy's or wherever and simply buy a one-gallon kit of developer, a pre-mixed gallon of bleach, a 750 mL bottle of fixer concentrate to make one gallon, and a tiny bottle of Stabilizer or Final Rinse to make one gallon. It cost about $50, and the most expensive part was the bleach, which lasted for two kits'-worth of developer. So, I got eight quarts of working solution for about $80 after tax. I would go through each quart at least twice, bringing the chemical cost down to about $1.25 per roll of 35mm in a quart tank.

    Now, they have a ten liter kit, and also have replenisher on the shelf (just in case ten liters isn't enough :rolleyes. The bleach bottle on the shelf is now 2.7 L. (What???) The Fixer is the same (to make one gallon), and they don't have stabilizer at all! So, nobody buys ANYTHING from the shelf there anymore, and they will stop carrying it because nobody buys it, because if they buy it, they can't process their film anyhow (no Final Rinse).

    B&H's online selection is hard for me to figure out, and they do not ship many items.

    Nobody at Samy's really knows what they heck is what when it comes to color chemistry, because none of them process it themselves. So asking is a big runaround, and lots of uhms and ers as they try to make sense of the catalog based on one-line descriptions on a computer screen. If only places like Samy's, B&H, and Adorama would group SKUs to let us know what exactly we need to buy to process our color film!

    Freestyle does not carry Kodak color chemistry. I find this to be a damned shame. I used to be able to go in there and get my Kodak 5 L E-6 kits right off of the shelf, but I cannot do this now. I am not going to use the cheesy blix kits they have, which are more expensive and lower in quality than the Kodak kits. Why they choose to carry only an inferior product for more money is beyond me.

    If only Freestyle would bring in Kodak color chemistry! I know they would arrange the stuff into user-friendly groups to help us pick what we need.

    All I can say is that I am glad I stocked up on one-gallon developer kits when I heard they are going to be discontinued. I still have about a dozen left (and two E-6 kits).
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    This is sad. One would think that Kodak would continue to make something available so photographers would continue using their color film.

    Instead, its more difficult and now many One Hour labs are closing up. Of course, the quality of roller transport is not as good as self processing so it is needed regardless.

    There is probably a reasonable explanation or just corporate dumbness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotch View Post
    There is probably a reasonable explanation...
    Film is dead...or at least dead enough that no one really cares about it very much. Ever heard of triage?
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    http://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/fuj...t-5l-680-p.asp

    I wonder what the damage would be after shipping to the U.S.A., or if they would even do it. Why can't Kodak simply make a kit like this, and why can't Freestyle carry this Fuji one if they are not going to sell the Kodak chems?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F/2F View Post
    Film is dead...or at least dead enough that no one really cares about it very much. Ever heard of triage?
    Then why come out with new films? Triage, as I understand it, has some logic to it. Introducing new color film and no means or reduced means to develop just seems rather stupid.
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    I also buy from Pakor but I bought the individual items from kodak, not the kits. C-41 dev starter, 5 gal size of C41 developer, a 5-gallon size of c-41 bleach (which I'll regenerate at least once), enough fixer to make 20gals (since it's cheap and I can use it for B&W also), and some final rinse off ebay. It's all the regular C-41 process stuff, not the -RA or -SM versions. I can round up part numbers if need be but all the info is on the Pakor site.

    I just noticed Adorama carries the C41 dev and will ship (w/o hazmat fee, apparently!?), so probably will go that route next time. The only thing they and others won't usually ship is the bleach part B. (Pakor will ship it though).

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    Photographer's Formulary recently started selling a C-41 kit. But I just went to look and get the link, and, well, poof, their website, at least, no longer exists. Does this mean film really is dead?

    I've been using the Tetenal kit. The Kodak chemistry is almost impossible to get: even if you want the large quantities, no one will ship it to you.

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    They are reconstructing their web site. Call them, they should have it in stock.
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    I've seen talk here of a new C-41 kit from Rollei, with separate bleach and fixer, in quantities that are sensible for small-volume home darkrooms. I get the impression it's available only in Europe at the moment, but I seem to recall that Freestyle will be selling it in the US Real Soon Now. You might give them a call to verify this. You could also check out Unique Photo. They've got what may be the world's worst Web store, but they do have a lot of otherwise hard-to-find color chemicals. You could call them on the phone to ask questions if you need guidance about what to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djnicepix View Post
    Hello all,
    I would like to start developing C-41, graduating from black and white process. I would like to use Kodak Chemicals as I did with B&W, but am open to other brands if they are better. The real trouble I am having, is that in looking for the developer, Kodak says that their Flexicolor SM tank developer is what I should be using in my small tank. Same thing for the bleach, fixer, rinse and stabilizer. What I find at places like B&H and adorama, is flexicolor developer/starter, or developer/replenisher, not just flexicolor SM tank developer. Could someone out there straighten me out as to what I should get for my small tank. Thanks in advance for your time and help,
    Dean
    Just read through all the replies so far and want to thank all of you who answered. You have all been of enormus help to me and I really appreciate it. I am going to check out the "C-41 for dummies" for sure. I am glad to see that I am not alone when it comes to deciphering info from Kodak and the store websites about which chemicals I need.
    I believe (my own opinion), that since the age of digital, folks are able to push the shutter button and get instant gratification with a picture on the monitor. Not may folks who love the REAL deal of film. In this light, the manufactures must produce products that make profit and pay shareholders dividends. This is expected as it is only to make money that a company is in business! So, this will leave a much smaller core of niche companies that are able to produce films and chemicals. I do believe that film WILL stay always but be supplied as such mentioned above.
    I will leave this thread open here for all to add to as they wish and fill it up with more great ideas and comments.
    Also, I have purchased the Tetnal Kit and it is on the way. It did seem the most logical and COMPLETE simple kit available to experiment with.
    My heartfelt thanks again to all.
    Dean

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