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    What other kit is a 4-chemical kit (no blix for me), and where can I get it?
    You could buy the Kodak developer and make up your own bleach if you want to got that route. It is neither hard nor particularly expensive but you do have to get the chemicals for the bleach and the clearing bath from somewhere like Photographers Formulary or Artcraft. You can purchase the Kodak bleach if you like but I find that particular component to be prohibitively expensive.

    Kodak Flexicolor Developer LORR is #823-1672 or http://www.uniquephoto.com/chemistry...4668755http://
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    Quote Originally Posted by macandal View Post
    This uses blix, which I don't want. That's why I used the Rollei kit before.
    Have you used Tetenal? The reason I ask is that I cannot find instructions for Tetenal C-41 anywhere. MSDS, yes, but no instructions. How are you arriving at your conclusion? I really do want to know.

    Looking at the product image on sites, there are seven bottles. If three are used for the developer, which seems to be the norm across brands of liquid chemistry, and one is the final rinse/stabilizer, that leaves two. Hmmmmmm....... One bleach and one fixer? W/o instructions, which perhaps you have located, it seems that this does not necessarily mean blix.

    I've also presented 90% of the legwork to show that the Unicolor powder kit has separate bleaching and fixing components, too, perhaps only needing pH adjustments.

    If you are hell bent on having separate bleach and fixer baths, I think you are stuck with Kodak chemistries. Welcome to the nightmare. I'm going to make some conjecture: the advantage of separate baths has more to do with control of the chemistry than it does with final results. Willing to be proved wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotch View Post
    That is what I am looking for also.
    Fotch, Freestyle has the Rollei kit that I bought and that one has separate, bleach and fixer. It is my understanding that the only two other options we have are Kodak and Fuji, but Kodak is, apparently, no longer available and Fuji is not available in the States. So, really, Rollei is it for us looking for a kit that DOES NOT use blix. I think I may have just answered my own question. Bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macandal View Post
    Fotch, Freestyle has the Rollei kit that I bought and that one has separate, bleach and fixer. It is my understanding that the only two other options we have are Kodak and Fuji, but Kodak is, apparently, no longer available and Fuji is not available in the States. So, really, Rollei is it for us looking for a kit that DOES NOT use blix. I think I may have just answered my own question. Bummer.

    I thought the Kodak was still made by the company that took over their chemical operation and available although only in large quantities and with confusing catalog listings. Certainly not for the retail market.

    The Rollei is not listed in Freestyle's new catalog however, still is available on line. More expensive that I would like then again, at least it is available.

    Agree, its a Bummer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotch View Post
    I thought the Kodak was still made by the company that took over their chemical operation and available although only in large quantities and with confusing catalog listings. Certainly not for the retail market.

    The Rollei is not listed in Freestyle's new catalog however, still is available on line. More expensive that I would like then again, at least it is available.

    Agree, its a Bummer!
    Oh. Ok. I don't get their (Freestyle's) catalog, so I buy everything online. Where does one get the Kodak stuff? Maybe we can go halfsies?
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    Needing a 6-bath kit sometime before Christmas I wrote to Nordfoto.de asking whether they ship to Italy and if they charge the VAT (normally VAT is not charged on intra-EUropean goods transactions. I recently bought a device in France without paying VAT).

    No answer.

    Being in need and not wanting to waste more time, on January 8th around 18:00 I placed an order on the Nordfoto.de site (or so I believe*) for the Fuji Hunt kit
    http://www.nordfoto.de/Analoge-Fotog...iter::660.html

    Cost is €76,63 without taxes, which become €91,19 with taxes. Shipping was €12. Total expense was €103,19 immediately paid by PayPal.

    The chemistry arrived today, around noon, delivered by GLS.

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    No-hassle shipping, normal fare, no "hazardous material" complications;

    CONs
    No answer to my original questions;
    I had to pay the German VAT which was probably not strictly due;

    * All the email regarding the order, the shipping etc. came from Phototec.de which is I presume just the same as Nordfoto.de, as said by somebody else in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diapositivo View Post
    Needing a 6-bath kit sometime before Christmas I wrote to Nordfoto.de asking whether they ship to Italy and if they charge the VAT (normally VAT is not charged on intra-EUropean goods transactions. I recently bought a device in France without paying VAT).

    No answer.

    Being in need and not wanting to waste more time, on January 8th around 18:00 I placed an order on the Nordfoto.de site (or so I believe*) for the Fuji Hunt kit
    http://www.nordfoto.de/Analoge-Fotog...iter::660.html

    Cost is €76,63 without taxes, which become €91,19 with taxes. Shipping was €12. Total expense was €103,19 immediately paid by PayPal.

    The chemistry arrived today, around noon, delivered by GLS.

    PROs
    No-hassle shipping, normal fare, no "hazardous material" complications;

    CONs
    No answer to my original questions;
    I had to pay the German VAT which was probably not strictly due;

    * All the email regarding the order, the shipping etc. came from Phototec.de which is I presume just the same as Nordfoto.de, as said by somebody else in this thread.
    Congrats! How's the chemistry itself? Have you had a chance to test it? Did you like it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by macandal View Post
    Congrats! How's the chemistry itself? Have you had a chance to test it? Did you like it?
    Not yet, I suppose I will certainly not be developing for this week and maybe the next. Then I'll begin a long string of developing sessions to empty the fridge of the exposed films in there.

    I will report the results. I suppose they should not be different from the results of my Ornano kit. E-6 baths should be pretty similar.
    Actually, I will be using the first developer of the new kit, and all the other baths of the old kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diapositivo View Post
    Normally VAT is not charged on intra-EUropean goods transactions. I recently bought a device in France without paying VAT...


    I had to pay the German VAT which was probably not strictly due;
    Consumers located in a EU-country buying goods from a dealer located in another EU-country have to pay VAT of the country of the dealer.

    (Commercial clients would be billed without VAT, but would have to pay the VAT of their EU-country.)

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    Where does one get the Kodak stuff?
    I posted a link above where you can get the 5 liter size developer from Unique Photo. No blix involved in this process. Adorama probably sells it, too, as well as other places. I've gotten the same stuff from Adorama (and Calumet at one time.)

    You purchase Flexicolor RA fixer http://www.uniquephoto.com/film%2Dca...2D5l%2D1077577

    And make the bleach or purchase it. If you want to buy it, it is here : http://www.uniquephoto.com/film%2Dca...film%2D8255549

    And you need stabilzer: http://www.uniquephoto.com/film%2Dca...inse%2D1925254

    Note: I have no connection with Unique Photo. I just purchase from them for reasonable prices and shipping and they are close enough to me to go there and pick up product if I want to. They also have a good selection on their website to use as examples.

    A little Kodak decoding: Flexicolor is C-41, Ektacolor is RA-4. They call everything "<something> Replenisher", like "Developer Replenisher". This means you use the same product as the developer as well as the replenisher if you are trying to use a replenished process. (Which you are probably not)

    You use the Kodak CIS-49 document for instructions on how to make up small quantities. It isn't hard. Just google it. In fact, here is the link: http://www.kodak.com/global/en/profe...49/cis49.jhtml

    If you store in tightly closed bottles in a cool, dry, dark place, the bulk chemicals will last for some time. I doesn't pay to be over frugal with them, however. Part C of the developer will go bad after awhile (monthsat least, I worked off a kit for 2 years before it crapped out) but there are things you can do to extend the life. The rest of the stuff will last a long while.

    There's nothing wrong with the Digibase kit; it works well. Just gets expensive.
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