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    Enlarging pictures taken with ISO 3200 to 6400

    Taking pictures between ISO 3200 and 6400

    Hi,

    The new Leica M, can take pictures with an ISO as
    high as 6400. On the other hand, Ilford manufactures
    a film, Delta 3200, that can be pushed to ISO 6400.
    This film, can be developed with Rodinal for a fine
    grain development.

    Many galleries, including the famous Leica Galleries
    exhibit prints made with Leicas. My question would
    be, which pictures would look less grainier, the ones
    taken with film at ISO 6400, or the ones taken with
    the digital Leica at same ISO? Lets say, that prints
    are not larger than six feet or two meters in all their
    dimensions. So, no larger than 20" x 24"

    If the pictures taken with film are good enough, there
    is no need for almost anyone to buy a digital camera
    within the next three years. Would you agree or disagree
    that film is still better than digital rangefinders with
    24 Megapixels? That film looks less grainy?

    Thank you in advance, kind regards,

    igmotita : ) !!!

    P.S. The negative can be printed directly with an enlarger, or
    scanned with a good scanner. It is your choice. I just
    want to see how good a film like Delta 3200 @ 6400
    fares when enlarging prints!

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    Wash your mouth out with soap and water.

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    Meh, 6400 iso. Is that all?

    I'll see your 6400 and raise you to 51200 iso
    http://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/spu...0ml-3441-p.asp
    Last edited by Matthew Wagg; 02-24-2013 at 05:59 PM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: too many zeros.

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    We're on OT thin ice here. But, to address your question, in that comparison, no, film will not look less grainy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by igmolinav View Post
    This film, can be developed with Rodinal for a fine
    grain development.
    Rodinal is NOT a fine grain developer and hence is not recommended for fast films particularly when they are pushed. That is unless you are looking for coarse grain.
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    I've seen Delta 3200 @ 1600 in Perceptol looking relatively clean with a tight continuous grain structure.

    You won't approach a high MTF% @ 80 lp/mm+ with such high speed film.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald C Koch View Post
    Rodinal is NOT a fine grain developer and hence is not recommended for fast films particularly when they are pushed. That is unless you are looking for coarse grain.
    Semi-stand Rodinal is excellent for pushing, and gives good grain.

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    Film is a different animal than digital and Delta 3200 is a beautiful film.

    It enlarges just fine, it has its own look which is IMO decidedly not digital.
    Mark Barendt, Ignacio, CO

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    I can't figure out if this is trolling or cluelessness.

    As others said, Rodinal is anything but fine grain. Maybe you can stand it or sit it or something (/snark) and make it work, but I like T-Max developer and I'm sure DD-X would do as well or better, for pushing these films. I love Delta 3200 but sadly have to admit that, for best quality by the usual measures, digital spanks film in very low light. It just does, at least the lowest noise most sensitive digital cameras.

    But as Mark says the look is totally different. I've shot D3200 at 3200 but haven't tried 6400. Here's TMZ at 6400 though, printed on RA4 paper with the filtration adjusted to look like the torchlight it was shot under:


    SCACOURT by Roger Cole, on Flickr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wagg View Post
    I'll see your 6400 and raise you to 51200 iso
    Would you happen to know of a source for Spürsinn HCD 2+S in the USA? This stuff sounds phenomenal…
    Henry C. Gernhardt, III

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