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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    It does? I don't see that, no more than, say, dodging.
    I rest my case.

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

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    What case? Or is that your point?

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    Cropping is a viable, valid and powerful means of creativity. I would ask nobody to change if they use cropping to eke the n'th degree of perfection from an image. Because that is what cropping does very well.

    cliveh, I think you are saying the same... but that you would discourage your students from using that as a crutch for sloppy composition while shooting.

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    At times like this I become increasingly convinced that Clive is Roger Hicks in disquise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Why would it matter if different formats pop up? I do this too, but happily crop to suit, some vertical some horizontal etc.

    I use fades where one shot fades into another. It has a nicer and more consistant flow when everything is the same size. Verticles do present a problem though. So do movie clips when they're different. Sometimes I'll deliberately shoot 4:3 movies rather than 16:9 so that when I fade stills into movies and back again in the same "slide show".

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    Ah ok. I've had a friend do that with my shots - with permission, I sent him scans of the slides I shot at group functions and he put together a slide show on his TV - but it was sort of an aside to the "real" slide show which I projected old fashion style.

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    This whole thread reminded me when I use to shoot chromes and project slide shows. The only modifiation you were allowed was to not include the bad slides in the show, a related form of cropping I suppose. Other than that, no crops, no lighting or color adjustments, no nothing. It forced you to try to get the best shot in the camera; a good practice. It was also a lot of fun because you didn't have to worry about editing an individual slide other than burning it. Of course most of my shots were from vacations. So there was a lot of allowances for bad aesthetics since the content had to do with a record of the vacation to talk about. However, even then, I shot for good and interesting content and composition. It's too late for cropping or Photoshop then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Klein View Post
    This whole thread reminded me when I use to shoot chromes and project slide shows.
    And each slide was mercilessly cropped by the cardboard mount.

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    "Fit the image to the view", essentially, in-camera cropping. I have never, ever cropped any print that has been framed, in 30 years of practice, I just have not done it, that's the way I learned three decades ago. Everything is watched in the viewfinder: only what is desired is there and no more than I wish.
    “The photographer must determine how he wants the finished print to look before he exposes the negative.
    Before releasing the shutter, he must seek 'the flame of recognition,' a sense that the picture would reveal
    the greater mystery of things...more clearly than the eyes see."
    ~Edward Weston, 1922.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Burk View Post
    And each slide was mercilessly cropped by the cardboard mount.
    I probably didn't notice. I was shooting with a camera that had less than 100% view in the finder so the part that was cropped by the cardboard I never saw!

    Which of course raises the point. What do people do who don't see all of the image the film is capturing?



 

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