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    Any good comprehensive guides to dodging and burning? Online or print.

    Hi,

    Just getting started in the darkroom - I've spent the weekend making some 9.5x12" prints on Ilford MGIV Satin paper. I've learned a lot, but especially the importance of getting a good negative in the first place!

    Anyway, I feel the need to do to the next level. Any recommendations for tutorials on dodging and burning? The real basics - given I've never seen anyone do it, and some things which may seem obvious I have no idea how to do.

    I'm happy to get info from anywhere - books, youtube, courses, blogs...

    Many thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeztastic View Post

    I'm happy to get info from anywhere - books, youtube, courses, blogs...
    ...and, of course, dear old APUG
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    Ilford do a basic introductory guide called "Ilford Multigrade Papers: A manual for the darkroom" - Catalogue number: 192 7328

    If you can find a copy, "The Photographer's Master Printing Course" by Tim Rudman (ISBN 1 85732 407 2) is well worth getting - It covers the basics of dodging & burning as well as advanced topics such has compositing multiple negatives.


    If you find yourself up in these parts, I'd be happy to give you a quick intro to some of this stuff.

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    My advice would be to try and avoid this for a few years.

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    hi jez

    not sure if you will find a comprehensive guide ...
    i can tell you what i do
    but it might not be what you will do ...
    it takes a sheet of paper or 2 ( maybe a few more after that ) ...

    i learned from someone who was taught in the 1920s/1930s

    find the base exposure ...
    i cut back a few seconds ... and stop down half a stop, maybe ..
    then use your hands to burn in what needs to be burned in ...
    you can do it in layers, since the light is less but slowly add light to
    the areas you need by moving your hands, making shapes with your fingers
    and whatever you need to do ... put it in the developer and see how it looks ..
    don't forget you didn't dodge the stuff you wanted to dodge
    so you keep track of what you did burn-wise but while you are laying down
    the initial exposure you dodge out the parts that were too dark .. .. again with your hands
    if that means stop down to where you were when you burned in, so you have enough time to dodge
    do that, its ok ... don't forget when you stop down change the time ... so if you stop down a whole stop double
    your initial exposure ... then put the lens back up half a stop if you want to avoid the math to figure out
    what your burn times will be

    so you have 2 test prints now ... maybe you are close, maybe you are far ?
    sometimes you will end up printing something totally different than you expected ... that's ok

    have fun and don't forget, there are as many ways to burn+dodge as there are people doing it ..
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    Most instructional books, including the old Time Life series will give you some basics. Ansel Adams's book "The Print" is also excellent, and most libraries will have a copy. Stick with books for now. The internet has a lot of bad info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael R 1974 View Post
    Most instructional books, including the old Time Life series will give you some basics. Ansel Adams's book "The Print" is also excellent, and most libraries will have a copy. Stick with books for now. The internet has a lot of bad info.
    bad info on burning and dodging ?

    its just selectively adding more or less light ...
    how is there bad info ? its pretty basic-stuff.
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    Thanks for the advice everyone...

    If you find yourself up in these parts, I'd be happy to give you a quick intro to some of this stuff.
    Where is 'these parts' Paul? I have yet to update my profile properly, but I am in Canterbury, Kent.

    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    My advice would be to try and avoid this for a few years.
    Care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeztastic View Post
    Thanks for the advice everyone...



    Where is 'these parts' Paul? I have yet to update my profile properly, but I am in Canterbury, Kent.



    Care to elaborate?
    Yes, if you select the correct exposure for a given lighting ratio with the correct lens rendition (all other factors such as development being OK) then dodging and shading should not be necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    bad info on burning and dodging ?

    its just selectively adding more or less light ...
    how is there bad info ? its pretty basic-stuff.
    Sorry, but yes, plenty of bad info on everything from filtration to technique, test prints, on and on.

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