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    Newbie Printing Query....

    Hello Gang,

    i'm new to this forum and have only been developing & printing for the past week or two and i'd be grateful if anyone could help me with a query.

    I have some negatives from ilford xp2 from before i set up my darkroom.

    I know that xp2 isn't a true black and white film and uses a c-41 process but would i be able to print this as if it were a normal black and white film? I've not tried yet but wondered if someone had any ideas or experience.

    Any feedback appreciated

    Cheers

    Adam

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    Negatives are negatives, and the printing process is fundamentally the same regardless of the process used to achieve the negatives.

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    Monophoto is quite correct Adam, XP2 prints very well.
    Welcome to the forum.
    Regards Dave.

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    They are right. You can even print in black and white color film, just with less tonallity and longer exposures. As far as printing is concerned, anything that falls on the exposed paper makes an image, photograms is a good example of this.
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    I would suggest one thing: print on BLACK AND WHITE paper. Many of the one-hour labs just blast this onto their regular color paper, and the results are ... bad.

    I've seen excellent results on black and white papers; in particular, Ilford Multi-Grade RC.
    Carpe erratum!!

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    Cheers Chaps, thanks for the advice!

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    One thing you will find perplexing when printing with xp2 is that if you use the same basic setup ie.* contrast setting * that you did for lets say a HP5 in ID11, you will find your xp2 negative prints looking very *flat, or low contrast*
    You need to raise the filter value, sometimes, by 2 full grades. This is a common problem when using this film for the first time.
    Once you establish a *grade for xp2* use this starting point.
    You will find this to be true with other film/developer combinations that are somewhat different than the norm.
    good luck
    Bob


    Quote Originally Posted by laudrup
    Hello Gang,

    i'm new to this forum and have only been developing & printing for the past week or two and i'd be grateful if anyone could help me with a query.

    I have some negatives from ilford xp2 from before i set up my darkroom.

    I know that xp2 isn't a true black and white film and uses a c-41 process but would i be able to print this as if it were a normal black and white film? I've not tried yet but wondered if someone had any ideas or experience.

    Any feedback appreciated

    Cheers

    Adam

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    Back when I was in college taking photo classes, one girl in the class had shot on either xp2 or T400CN, Either way, her prints looked pretty horrible, and when the proff. asked about what she used she admitted to using the film. The professor kind of when off how it wasn't exactly real black & white film, and that you could never get as good of results from it. I found the whole thing quite funny since I had spent the previous summer shooting on the stuff and was turning out some very excellent prints on the stuff. Just needed to bump that contrast filter way up.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie
    Adam
    One thing you will find perplexing when printing with xp2 is that if you use the same basic setup ie.* contrast setting * that you did for lets say a HP5 in ID11, you will find your xp2 negative prints looking very *flat, or low contrast*
    You need to raise the filter value, sometimes, by 2 full grades. This is a common problem when using this film for the first time.
    Once you establish a *grade for xp2* use this starting point.
    You will find this to be true with other film/developer combinations that are somewhat different than the norm.
    good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjixxxy
    Back when I was in college taking photo classes, one girl in the class had shot on either xp2 or T400CN, Either way, her prints looked pretty horrible, and when the proff. asked about what she used she admitted to using the film. The professor kind of when off how it wasn't exactly real black & white film, and that you could never get as good of results from it. I found the whole thing quite funny since I had spent the previous summer shooting on the stuff and was turning out some very excellent prints on the stuff. Just needed to bump that contrast filter way up.
    Probably T400CN then, I tried printing on that and it was horribly flat and muddy, even at grade 4. That film has the same orange mask as normal colour negative film and I suspect it interferes with B&W printing. I haven't tried XP2 but I've heard much better reports with the printing and that it has a clear film base like normal B&W film (or at least a lot closer).

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    FWIW, I've seen a lot of complaints about printing from Kodak's chromogenics onto conventional B&W paper, but I've never had problems. Sometimes I need to print at a grade or two higher than usual, and of course with much longer print times, but that's about it. I suspect that there are important interactions with paper brand, enlarger light source, and/or enlarger filters. (I've used Agfa MCP 310 RC paper with a Philips PCS150 tri-color light source.)

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