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    Black Borders

    I really like the look of the black borders that HCB uses on his prints. Did he--or his printers--achieve this by filing the negative carrier so light passes around the edges of the negative? This seems the most likely method as they seem somewhat irregular and have rounded corners. What other methods are there for getting this effect? Thanks.

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    g'day jmal, i too like the black border and often print this way, and yes it is usually done by filing out the neg carrier on 35mm, there are other ways to do it using easels and masks

    hcb also liked to show that he did not crop his negs, a bit of a wank but it is good practice to crop in camera not on the neg

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    Thanks for the reply. I suspected that was the way it's done, but just wanted to confirm. Any tips for filing or is it just small steps of trial and error until one reaches a satisfactory amount of border?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Heath View Post
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    hcb also liked to show that he did not crop his negs, a bit of a wank but it is good practice to crop in camera not on the neg
    Ray,
    For those us here in the colonies, what does "bit of a wank" mean? I don't like to crop on the neg either. I try to approximate the 10% loss of some viewfinders. With HCB, he must've known that Leica viewfinder intimately to approximate what will be printed.

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    Oh I don't think it was a wank, really. At the time, people were already becoming rather pictorialist and I think he simply wanted to be faithful to his subjects. I appreciate HCB's staid traditionalism more and more now that I see what digital capture has done to photography!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric View Post
    Ray,
    For those us here in the colonies, what does "bit of a wank" mean? I don't like to crop on the neg either. I try to approximate the 10% loss of some viewfinders. With HCB, he must've known that Leica viewfinder intimately to approximate what will be printed.

    what wankers do

    an allusion to a sexual act performed when alone

    being self dillusional, or maybe just being a braggard

    constant use of any camera will soon show just what is recorded on film, it's not always 10%

    some cameras record more than shows in viewfinder, some record less

    anyway it's not good practice to compose too close to the image edges

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    Quote Originally Posted by keithwms View Post
    Oh I don't think it was a wank, really. At the time, people were already becoming rather pictorialist and I think he simply wanted to be faithful to his subjects. I appreciate HCB's staid traditionalism more and more now that I see what digital capture has done to photography!
    g'day keith, so what do you believe digital capture has done to photography?

    i see extremes, on the one hand more people are empowered and encouraged to do photography - that could be a good, or a bad thing

    on the other hand, more and more bad imaging is accepted as the norm - even that could be good or bad

    lastly, for now, many talented photographers are too narrow minded to explore the possibilities that digital could bring to their practice

    just because an image is digi doesn't mean it's a poor image, just as gum over pt/pd etc etc doesn't automatically make an image good

    what are your thoughts?

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    Who is HCB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weldon View Post
    Who is HCB?
    wash out thy mouth

    Henri Cartier Bresson, French, (1908-2004) photojournalist, documentary photographer, co-founder of Magnum, 'the desicive moment', 'the' street photographer, the revered one, think Leica, think street, think one lens (35mm?)

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    Oh...

    Thanks Ray.

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