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    Enlarging the sides of negatives

    I recently saw a framed picture that had the edge of the film developed on the print. For instance, I saw the words: Ilford hp5. I don't know what it's called, but you could see the type of film he used on the print.
    My question is how did the person achieve this? When I used the enlarger, the 35mm frame fit perfectly, so how would you go about getting the entire frame edge to edge to show through?

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    The edge of the film is called the rebate. You can include the rebate in the print in two ways. One is to file out the opening of a glassless carrier. That will give you a ragged edge that will look something like this:

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    The other option is to use a glass carrier that allows you to print the entire negative -- I do that will all of my 4x5 enlargements, and all of my 5x7 contact prints.

    Sanders

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    So, you have come across the ernest anti-cropping clique in photography who insist on showing you a dark outline sometimes including frame number and film type for the sole purpose of, well, telling you it's not cropped?! I usually find this distracting and a little pretentious. As if every final picture you want to present has to be contained within a fixed aspect ratio. As if every viewfinder shows you precisely 100% of what ends up on the negative.

    As Sanders said if you have a glass carrier one size up from your film format it's easy enough. You can even print the sprocket holes on 35mm if you think that turns on the viewer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Egan View Post
    So, you have come across the ernest anti-cropping clique in photography who insist on showing you a dark outline sometimes including frame number and film type for the sole purpose of, well, telling you it's not cropped?! I usually find this distracting and a little pretentious.
    Dear Tony,

    Sometimes, yes. Other times, it's a useful 'cheat' to stop light areas near the edge of the image 'leaking out'.

    Cheers,

    R.

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    I agree with Tony, but Sanders' photos are much better than mine, any way I print them. That's what really counts.

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    I wouldn't do it every time, but in the pictures I saw, it really added to the picture. thanks for the info

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    Jim, I agree with you re Sanders photos and I should point out my comments were not in direct response to his work. My post was a "carry over" of a discussion I had with another photographer at an exhibition recently.

    Reticenti - can you expand a bit on why you thought this technique added to the picture? I am interested. Did it make the picture seem more "authentic"? Did a "raw and unfinished" presentation augment the subject matter? Was it the "novelty" value of different kind of framing? Or was it per Rogers response a frame for a high key background? Appreciate your input. Thanks.

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    The rebate is also a very loaded aesthetic device in photography. It's either as sign of absolute-uncrop, sometimes the only alternative to sprocket holes for people who work in larger formats.

    It is also a synecdoche for film taken in its material aspect. Technical icons like film rebate in turn seem to be a synecdoche for cool, macho, beautiful, etc, when it wears its technical nature on its sleeve. Witness #320: I've seen a clothes ad once for a famous brand that was styled after the look of a contact sheet, which of course shows the rebate. However, instead of the familiar "Kodak 6402" etc types of marking, it was the name of the brand, some meaningless numbers, and a few dingbats meant to imply vague technicality.

    Of course you could also achieve the same effect with EXIF data.
    Using film since before it was hip.


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    I shoot a Holga and I center my negs in a 6x6 carrier and set my easel's masks outside of the black edge. I do this because aesthetically, cropping a more or less symetrically vignetted image is problematic. Not cropping it but trimming the black border would be no less an assertion of "full-framedness," agaiin due to the vignetting. I merely include the raw edge because it seems to enhance the low tech nature of the Holga. I feel no attraction to printing the rebate in any other context, with any other format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhv View Post
    It is also a synecdoche for film taken in its material aspect.
    Synedoche?

    ...French guy teaching me English....

    Thanks, that's cool. I won't use it anytime soon, though.

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    I wish I'D said that.... Bartlett

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