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    otoh - maybe white clouds look good...! Who says you need detail everywhere...?

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    Flash the paper. You will need to test for time. If you can see detail in the clouds when the image is being projected through the enlarger this technique will work brilliantly. be sure you remove the neg from the enlarger first (if you are going to flash with the enlarger); you can also use the room lights. testing in order to determine how long to flash for is rather fastidious, but nailing the technique WILL yield texture in blocked highlights.

    Paper, and film, needs to receive a certain amount of exposure before it will reduce. Obviously. Flashing the paper brings it up to that point. It does lower the contrast of the photograph, and darken values. But if the flash exposure is correct, the effect on the other print values will be minuscule.

    Start by stopping down all the way. Leave your filter in the enlarger. Take your neg out. Make a test strip starting with the shortest possible increments of time, this will vary according to the timer you use, leave a portion of the test strip unexposed. Process as usual. when assessing the test strip you are looking for the first hints of exposure; use the base white portion for comparison. after locating the first visible exposure, determin its exposure time and subtract 1 exposure increment. There you have your flashing time!

    you may need to open the f/ if your first test yields nothing, or increase you exposure. keep the increments VERY SMALL, between 1/10-1/2 a second, control is the idea.

    Best of luck.

    Yours;

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    Great help folks!
    sparky, the white clouds kind of look like the paper base which I don't really care for so I'm trying for a little tone if You know what I mean.
    Chris, thanks much for the instructions, I just did the flashing test as you described and will give it another shot tomorrow. My fixer exhausted
    and I don't feel like mixing anymore up tonight
    Many thanks
    Erik

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    g'day Erik

    i'd treat it ...

    as more than just a printing problem

    for me the composition doesn't work, fixing the sky will do little to fix the image

    i'd reshoot using a different perspective and using some technique (red filter?) to enhance the sky and clouds

    Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Heath View Post
    g'day Erik

    i'd treat it ...

    as more than just a printing problem

    for me the composition doesn't work, fixing the sky will do little to fix the image

    i'd reshoot using a different perspective and using some technique (red filter?) to enhance the sky and clouds

    Ray
    Throw the baby out with the bath water ehh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Heath View Post
    g'day Erik

    i'd treat it ...

    as more than just a printing problem

    for me the composition doesn't work, fixing the sky will do little to fix the image

    i'd reshoot using a different perspective and using some technique (red filter?) to enhance the sky and clouds

    Ray
    Well Ray, If I stuck to my good compositions I wouldn't have anything to print
    Last edited by Erik L; 02-04-2008 at 10:54 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik L View Post
    Well Ray, If I stuck to my good compositions I wouldn't have anything to print
    well Erik, maybe that's the area you need to learn and practice

    Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Heath View Post
    well Erik, maybe that's the area you need to learn and practice

    Ray
    Yes Ray, I need practice with everything I know, you gotta start somewhere

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    Erik,
    To flash the paper, make your normal exposure, then remove the negative, stop the lens all the way down and expose for enough time to give the blown out areas just a little gray.

    To determine the time for flashing:
    1. leave the film holder in with no film
    2. mark a strip of paper with one inch increments (10 inches long will give 10 segments)
    3. place paper under enlarger and covering all but one segment and expose for 1 sec.
    4. moving the cover do this for the other nine segments. The last segment should be exposed for 10 sec.
    5. develop and look for the first segment that shows some gray. This is your flash time for that paper at that enlarger distance.

    You might also want to use burning techniques so as to not flash the entire piece of paper when flashing.

    Good luck

    Louis

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    The white clouds make the picture! Dont burn them. You can burn the edges a bit more, though.

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