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    An Obsessive Pursuit of Max Blac

    An obsessive pursuit of Max Black will lead one
    though many papers, many developers, and
    a few inhassment techniques.

    I do appreciate a good deep black where it belongs
    but do not obsess. Fortunately papers that can
    deliver are the norm. I dry glossy paper mat
    fashion so the paper's sheen is a factor.

    Then there are high-key and mat prints. You'll
    not find what might be called Max Black
    with either. Dan

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    IMHO, I don't think you can discuss this issue in a vacuum - you need to bring in the issue of how the print is to be seen or displayed as well.

    As an example, if you are viewing it matted and framed, the matt colour is really important, and should influence how it is printed.

    If the print is to be viewed under very bright, or very dim light, it should influence how it is printed.

    I expect that there is more latitude ("wiggle room") when the subject has a wide range of tones, and less when the subject exhibits a narrower range of tones, or a particular "mood".

    $0.02 worth, of course.

    Matt

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    And there is what we see on the computer screen...
    Another issue.

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    Careful now guys. Too many what-ifs kill the conversation. Your points are all valid true for all similar discussion about print tonality. The general suggestion of needing to print for the final display environment is a good one, not always possible, but always assumed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    As an example, if you are viewing it matted and framed, the matt colour is really important, and should influence how it is printed.

    Matt
    Matt color? What matt color, is there anything but off-white?

    I must be living in a very simple world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keithwms View Post
    On the one hand, one might be tempted to say: pah, black is just another tone. Nothing special.

    But max black and bright white are at the limits of the tone scale and thus calibrate the eye for the other tones. So I suppose that the tones are all quite relative unless you have a black and white limiting tones to "set the scale," so to speak.

    Of course, you can have an effective print which has no max black or bright white.... it just depends on the subject matter. But nevertheless, the presence of limiting/calibrating tones seems to be quite common: if max black and a crisp white aren't present in a black and white print then, lo and behold, I noticed that a lot of time people will supply them with a white surround (mat) and a black frame! That's not required, of course, it's just something I've noticed. It is as if people need for the tone scale to be anchored/calibrated.
    This is my thinking on the subject.

    You can have a print that has very little black or very little white, there are plenty of fine images like this. You could probably even have no white or no black, but I don't think you want none of both. That would just make the image look poorly exposed or developed.

    But... if an image works, then go with it. If there's any rule to art, it is not to strictly adhere to any rules.

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    The question that nobody seems to ask is: How important is purple?

    Just kidding.

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    I'm reminded of AA's definition of the fine print: "A photograph that meets the highest standards of technical excellence and succeeds in portraying the image visualized by the photographer." So the only thing that really matters, Thomas, is how you see it. If there's a rule to be followed, it's YOUR rule. Cheers, and keep up the great work!

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