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    Ilford paper code

    This is my second thread, forgive me if I put this in the wrong forum

    I was wondering how old a certain (un opened) pack of ilford paper is. I found a code on the back cover: 42D7616. Now I read something about this, and it would be possible to determine the paper's age by examining the code on the back of it.

    Does anyone know how to do this? I am very curious about how old this paper is, but I'm almost sure that it's too old to make some serious prints with.

    Thanks in advance

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    At one time Ilford used a simple letter/number code on paper, film, chemicals etc. So my Phenidone was something like C62, the 62 meaning 1962. The code date of 35m mfilm manufacture was printed on the label on the cassettes.

    I'm not sure exactly when Ilford changed the system, I think I'd switched to Agfa films by then.

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    There are some former and current Ilford employees on APUG, who should be able to help. If I remember correctly, it's the first or last two digit who are a counter for the year. The counter was reset around the year 2000. Sorry, this doesn't help you at all, but maybe it gets the conversation going into the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBoontje View Post
    This is my second thread, forgive me if I put this in the wrong forum

    I was wondering how old a certain (un opened) pack of ilford paper is. I found a code on the back cover: 42D7616. Now I read something about this, and it would be possible to determine the paper's age by examining the code on the back of it.

    Does anyone know how to do this? I am very curious about how old this paper is, but I'm almost sure that it's too old to make some serious prints with.

    Thanks in advance
    I might be able to do it,
    But what makes you think it is already old?
    Would you think it could be older than 8 years?
    The numbers may mean dif dates.
    Packaging/condition might be a clue.
    If you are lucky, it might be just shy of 18 months old...

    Otherwise- consider giving Harman some more of your money
    for a more recent pkg.

    But do compare the results and, more than anything...
    PRINT frequently.

    Ray

    ps There is a Harman rep guy here on APUG, who can help with these sorts of questons when others fail.

    Ian can tell you more if you need to know about him.


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    Thanks for the replies

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Rogers View Post
    I might be able to do it,
    But what makes you think it is already old?
    Would you think it could be older than 8 years?
    The numbers may mean dif dates.
    Packaging/condition might be a clue.
    If you are lucky, it might be just shy of 18 months old...

    Otherwise- consider giving Harman some more of your money
    for a more recent pkg.

    But do compare the results and, more than anything...
    PRINT frequently.

    Ray

    ps There is a Harman rep guy here on APUG, who can help with these sorts of questons when others fail.

    Ian can tell you more if you need to know about him.

    As for the package... it came with some other (opened) boxes of paper that looked quite horrible, this package actually seemed in pretty good condition.

    I do think its several years old, but it's the only package of this size so I'd rather not open it up until I know for sure how old it is.
    I will probably buy some Adox paper for the serious prints, if this paper turns out to be too old I could always use it to make test-strips.

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    Show us a photo of the labelling

    Many Ilford papers keep very well, Ilford say 7 years roughly before there's an easily detectable change, but that depends on storage conditions. Unlikely to be an issue in Holland.

    My own experience is that Ilford papers keep very well, I would just test it and see.

    Ian

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    I bought a box of Ilford Multigrade that had been stored in a lorry trailer at a farm. From the looks of the stuff with it, it had been there for some time.
    The paper was fine.

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    Simon R Galley is an active APUG member and a director of Ilford

    I have PM'd him several times to enquire about the age of Ilford papers I have bought - I have had replies in 2 or 3 days

    Simon is both a thoroughly nice bloke and very helpful too

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    Just sent him a PM, lets see what happens

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    Reply from Simon:

    Hi Jelle,

    Paper manufactured March 2008

    Kind Regards

    Simon.
    Its even newer than I thought
    This is great, I thought it would be at least 5 years old.

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