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    where's the thread - large prints being made

    A while back somebody posted pictures taken of a man here, helping the other make very large prints. Seems there was a print with a large tree on it, in fixer. I can't find the thread, and wanted to pass the link on to another here. Can someone easily point me there?

    Thanks!

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    Bill Schwab posted this of him and I in the darkroom

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    btw I was the good looking guy

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    Am I looking at it and not seeing? I can't find it, or a link.

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    I think once Bill see's this he may be able to find the link for you , I don't know how to find it.

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    I think this is what you are looking for: http://www.apug.org/forums/forum247/...-elevator.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie View Post
    I think once Bill see's this he may be able to find the link for you , I don't know how to find it.
    search for "Orange"

    or

    "SAFESUIT"



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    I was going to post here some questions to Bob about his working methods doing those fantastic prints. But I see the two-thousand-plus posts and figured the search function was my friend.

    Hope you don't mind, Bob, but I have collected a mini-masterclass on your printing methods here.

    BTW, I was just in Toronto last weekend picking up a head for my 8x10 Durst. Too bad I only had a very limited time in Toronto, I would have liked to stop by the Elevator.

    48x96 inches is the largest size I do * client needs big budget**
    30 x40 inches on a weekly basis
    20x24 most common size
    11x14 common for portfolio reviews
    8x10 prints * I will do only if hot pokers threatened to eyes*
    I never use any filters for lith printing, I want as much light as possible, in fact I use 250w bulbs rather than the standard 150w.
    Go to a organic grow store , they have very , very large trays and are beautiful for the your purpose. The are quite cheap.
    largest one I have is 50 inches by 8 ft.
    good luck, I have drain holes in the bottom of mine to take out the water rather than over flow.
    At this size the trays with water are really heavy and cumbersome.
    I use window screens 5ft by 8ft to dry the prints face down after squeege.
    I just finished our 40ft sink with West Systems,, great stuff goes down really well no stink , three coats and your printing.
    This may come across as absolutely going against the grain and suprisingly silly to some, but after a few thousand negs printing becomes easy.

    When Printing
    I keep no notes , don't want them , they get in the way of what I am trying to do.
    I do not look at test strips for longer than 10 secs and they are full prints at that. I only look forward and do not look back or compare. I like what I like and that is that.

    All dodging and burning is decided in the developer tray and I absolutely do watch the image emerge.. the lights are only for a quick look at potential problem areas and to confirm my mental notes from the dev tray.

    As the image emerges in the dev you can see all the areas needing attention and this is where all my attention to dodge and burn is aimed and I then decide where to go.
    I am using a bastardized split printing method and all I am doing is working with percentages of filters and slight time adjustments. The apeture is always two stops down at the sweet spot and time and filter change are my variables.

    Every negative is treated as a new adventure and I am not in the busness of copy work so all I do is go forward. I have not seen a large amount of repeat prints of the same negative, and I find the second,third ,fourth or more time I see a negative the better I get at printing it.

    For me working in the darkroom is an adventure I don't want to spoil it by taking notes.

    I use three enlargers,
    Two condensors with exact setup lenses ect. so that I can work on two negs at a time, I like having the prints back to back when developing.
    the third enlarger is diffusion and I use it for portraits where smooth skin tone is important and also I flash with this enlarger.
    I find this the most practical and efficient setup for show printing if one has the room.
    I charge by the hour for fibre printing , I also make the client provide the paper and lunch. I also encourage the photographer to spend time in the darkroom to nail the look.
    $125 per hour with $60 for toning and washing.
    * I have printed professionally for 30 odd years and this method is definately the best*
    Accept the grain and you have no problem with larger prints.. I really like the effect of 35mm enlarged to this size.
    Enlarger focusing for mural:
    This is exactly how I do it, two man job for sure,,
    For my own work I usually include the black border of all my work, this allows me the ability to get on to the task of making a good print rather than in the darkroom making any decisions re crop.

    For show work the consistancy of format, negative grain size and apperance is very critical and far outweighs IMO any last minute changes to image size , shape or composition.. It is very obvious when walking into a room and seeing a mix mash of sizes and image ratio's that the photographer has cropped , and this is not appealing to me and makes me feel the photographer is unsure of their work.
    Last edited by ic-racer; 11-20-2009 at 03:42 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Looks like you also have a 2000W Durst. I use mine vertical, but I had mine projecting on the wall last night and was very impressed with the big image. So much so, that I'm thinking I need to figure out a way to process some of those big prints in my home darkroom.
    There should be no problem making the Large Print, I am using a 2000w Durst Horizontal Enlarger with glass carrier to project on the wall.
    I have ordered 10 rolls of 42inch x 100ft Fotospeed which will arrive shortly. I am very confident of the results.

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    Hey! I'm the good looking guy!

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