Switch to English Language Passer en langue française Omschakelen naar Nederlandse Taal Wechseln Sie zu deutschen Sprache Passa alla lingua italiana
Members: 71,941   Posts: 1,585,710   Online: 1066
      
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11
  1. #1
    stormbytes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New England, USA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    244
    Images
    1

    Would you consider Gum Bichromates to be a hybrid process?

    I'm feeling philosophical and thought I'd throw this into the mix:

    Seeing as tri-color gum bichromates are (now-conventionally) done using Pictorico inkjet negatives. I mean, honestly I can't imagine anyone in their right mind is making traditional color separations. How does Apug view this process from the point of view of its strict policy of "no-digital/hybrid" discussion?

  2. #2
    MattKing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Delta, British Columbia, Canada
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    12,955
    Images
    60
    Discussion about the preparation of the digital negatives is not permitted.

    Display of the final results in the galleries is not permitted.

    Discussion about the other parts of the process is fine.

    And there are people here making traditional colour separations.
    Matt

    “Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”

    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

  3. #3
    David A. Goldfarb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawai'i
    Shooter
    Large Format
    Posts
    17,487
    Images
    20
    There are lots of processes that are being done often with digital hybrid techniques, and they are off topic for APUG.

    APUG is a place where people can find out, if they really want to know, how to make traditional enlarged negs with film and optics and how to make traditional color separations, to make real unsharp masks with pin registered film and interleaving acetate sheets, how to retouch negatives by hand with pencils and brushes and sharp implements, to make photographs with film projected onto photographic paper with light, to mix their own chemicals, to coat their own paper and plates, and do all sorts of things that no one in their right mind does anymore.

    There are several people discussing digital gum printing, however, on DPUG.org. Keith Taylor is a master of digital separations (I've seen real prints in person), and he's been a regular contributor. Check it out!
    flickr--http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidagoldfarb/
    Photography (not as up to date as the flickr site)--http://www.davidagoldfarb.com/photo
    Academic (Slavic and Comparative Literature)--http://www.davidagoldfarb.com

  4. #4

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    5,285
    Gum Bichromates, as a whole, are not a hybrid process... only when a digital neg is used. But I'm not even convincing myself that pigeon-holing like that is correct. The gum process itself and the final product does not care how the neg was produced... only APUG moderators care in terms of whether the production of those kinds of negs are discussed here or elsewhere.

  5. #5

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    5,285
    p.s Great pot stirring! It must be snowing in New England.

  6. #6
    David A. Goldfarb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawai'i
    Shooter
    Large Format
    Posts
    17,487
    Images
    20
    Start a discussion of digital negs, and we get plenty of thread reports. There are people who join APUG to avoid that discussion, and would like us to stick to our charter, and thus far, that policy has been successful.
    flickr--http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidagoldfarb/
    Photography (not as up to date as the flickr site)--http://www.davidagoldfarb.com/photo
    Academic (Slavic and Comparative Literature)--http://www.davidagoldfarb.com

  7. #7
    stormbytes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New England, USA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    244
    Images
    1
    Wow quite the stir! I suppose its a good thing I phrased this as a question

    David:

    Thanks for the detailed response. I suppose should point out when I said "anyone in their right mind" (re: making color separations the traditional route) it was intended with a dash of sarcasm, alluding to practical aspects. I understand Apug and how it works.

    As for Dpug.org, I've been active on that forum, on-and-off since its inception. I'm glad to see Sean finally got around to 'modernizing it' a bit!

    Will look for Keith Taylor's stuff. Do you happen to have a gallery URL ?

  8. #8
    David A. Goldfarb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawai'i
    Shooter
    Large Format
    Posts
    17,487
    Images
    20
    Look up the work of Cy DeCosse. Keith Taylor prints for him.
    flickr--http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidagoldfarb/
    Photography (not as up to date as the flickr site)--http://www.davidagoldfarb.com/photo
    Academic (Slavic and Comparative Literature)--http://www.davidagoldfarb.com

  9. #9

    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    159
    you can read more about Keith on his website/blog: http://keithtaylorphoto.com/
    Tom Persinger
    www.f295.org

    The F295 Historic Process Workbook is now available on Amazon:
    The F295 Historic Process Workbook: 4 Processes, 6 Techniques, 14 Lessons

  10. #10
    michael9793's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Fort Myers, Florida, USA
    Shooter
    ULarge Format
    Posts
    2,001
    Images
    111
    SO, If we discuss how many layers of gum we use and the colors that were involved, plus what color film, slide or negative and paper we use, we're fine. But if the photograph was taken digitally or we want to talk about how the negative was made and it was not made by old conventional ways, then take it to Dpug. My feelings are that as long as only the analog part is discussed then we can stay here but if someone uses a digital negative, and some one wants to know how he did it then just say we will have to go to Dpug to talk about it. Is this fair. Personally I will show my final image sometimes here because it is analog but talk about the digital part in Dpug.
    "Capturing an image is only one step of the long chain of events to create a beautiful Photograph” See my updated website: mandersenphotography.com

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast


 

APUG PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:



Contact Us  |  Support Us!  |  Advertise  |  Site Terms  |  Archive  —   Search  |  Mobile Device Access  |  RSS  |  Facebook  |  Linkedin