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    Question(s) About Alt. Process Papers

    OK, have been using Cranes Kid Finish paper for the Ziatypes I have been learning on. It is a very 'thin' paper compared to the prints I have seen in real life - So the question is, for this process - POP what other papers would be good for this type of process?

    Mateo and Jorge have been kind enough to offer me a great deal of help and the first thing they both commented on was the paper I was using.

    The papers I have been able to find are the following:
    1. Cranes Kid Finish
    2. COT-320 (which seems a good candidate)
    3. Lanaquarelle
    4. Platinotype
    5. Socorro

    are there others, what special handling is needed, which would be a good match for both POP and DOP (or could I be that lucky).

    Have more questions about clearing agents, HCA vs Citric Acid, etc and how the paper could affect clearing.

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    Mike,
    I have been printing on Stonehenge Rising which is available from Asel Art over in Dallas (right off Routh, across the street from Photographs: Do Not Bend) ro ~$3/sheet. After suggestions from Sandy I now do 10 minutes in hypo clear then 10 minutes in citric acid and it's perfectly clear. I really like this paper, just enough texture without impeding the image.
    Let's see what I've got in the magic trash can for Mateo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Moore
    Mike,
    I have been printing on Stonehenge Rising which is available from Asel Art over in Dallas (right off Routh, across the street from Photographs: Do Not Bend) ro ~$3/sheet. After suggestions from Sandy I now do 10 minutes in hypo clear then 10 minutes in citric acid and it's perfectly clear. I really like this paper, just enough texture without impeding the image.
    Jeremy,
    Jerry's ARTARAMA sells Stonehenge White for $1.49 a sheet. They also sell Fabriano Extra White for 29.99 for 10 sheets or 249.00 for 100 sheets. They also sell magic brushes for about half price. You have to prep it with oxalic acid for palladium printing.

    It's always a good idea to check their sale items as they will often discount paper even more.

    Mike, Arches Platine works well for palladium POP or DOP. Cranes Narural White Wove 90 works pretty good with DOP or POP and is an inexpensive paper which you can order directly from Crane. It does tend to tear when wet when making prints larger than 11x14. It is available in parent sized sheets and boxes of 8.5x11.

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    I'm really sold on the Berrger Cot 320. Very luxurious. I've used it with and without an oxalic presoak and can't tell the difference. example
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    Quote Originally Posted by donbga
    Jeremy,
    Jerry's ARTARAMA sells Stonehenge White for $1.49 a sheet. They also sell Fabriano Extra White for 29.99 for 10 sheets or 249.00 for 100 sheets. They also sell magic brushes for about half price. You have to prep it with oxalic acid for palladium printing.

    Don Bryant
    Don, I have been buying my stonehenge locally to save on shipping, but at Jerry's the shipping was only $8.95! Thanks for the website as Stonehenge is actually on sale right now: $1.49/sheet, $19.99/20 sheets or $90/100 sheets! I just placed an order for 20 sheets of white and 20 sheets of cream--thanks a bunch!
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    2 words, Arches Platine.....

    I like COT 320, but it is too white for my taste.....

    BTW, great shot Mike!

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    I have used both Crane's Platinotype and the COT 320. COT 320 is well behaved and doesn't mind being dried at ambient temperatures. It is a "white" paper.

    I started with Crane's and it's pretty nice. Haven't experimented with it since I went to the NA2 contrast agent for Pt/Pd printing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by photomc
    OK, have been using Cranes Kid Finish paper for the Ziatypes I have been learning on. It is a very 'thin' paper compared to the prints I have seen in real life - So the question is, for this process - POP what other papers would be good for this type of process?


    Have more questions about clearing agents, HCA vs Citric Acid, etc and how the paper could affect clearing.

    Thanks
    Lenox is a very good paper for Pt./Pd. printing, of about the same weight and finish as Rising Stonhenge. It has a slightly off-white color, a nice smooth surface that conveys detail well, and it gives very smooth, creamy type tones. Wet strength is not quite as good as Stonhenge, though. It clears easily in mild solutions of citric acid.

    BTW, I don't recommend the oxalic acid soak for either Lenox or Stonhenge. The soak breaks down the surface size and you lose the smooth, creamy tones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanking
    BTW, I don't recommend the oxalic acid soak for either Lenox or Stonhenge. The soak breaks down the surface size and you lose the smooth, creamy tones.
    I agree with Sandy on the Stonehenge, haven't used Lennox. When I dipped the stonehenge in oxalic acid the prints were grainier and muddled.
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    Hey Guys! Thanks for the input, so it seems I can add a couple of more to the list..Stonehenge and Lennox. Now is Arches Platine and Platinotype the same paper?

    So far, my understanding is that Socorro, Stonehenge and Lennox need a bath in oxalic acid, right?
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