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    Albumen

    Nice job David-I especially like the Portrait. I should have come and done the workshop with you guys. Next time....
    Best, Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Moore
    Figured I could pop in and answer this one. I was wondering the same thing, Kerik. After re-reading the thread a couple of times (I'm quite interested in albumen printing) I actually noticed the blurb underneath the photo:

    Sinar P 8x10", 36cm/f:4.5 Heliar wide open at about 1/15 sec
    (slaps forehead) D'oh!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerik
    David,

    Nice! I especially like the portrait. A couple questions:

    In the detail of the eye, the image looks grainy. Is this film grain, print grain. or paper texture picked up by the scanner? What paper(s) did you use to print on? Finally, tell me what lens you used for the portrait.

    Congrats!
    Thanks Kerik, et al. I guess you've figured out the lens! It's the very one pictured in my avatar.

    Grain--well probably all of the above. TXT/ABC Pyro 18 min. is pretty grainy, but the scanner picks up all sorts of stuff. On the other hand, the TMX/D-76 (1+1) neg looks maybe grainier on the scan, which doesn't make sense at all, if it's film grain. The scans are 300 DPI/RGB. Maybe it's print grain plus some surface stuff. Let me know when you're in town for the gum over platinum workshop, and you can see the prints.

    We printed mainly with Strathmore 500 Plate-finish single-ply drawing paper, but we also tried another paper with a little more tooth, a little heavier, and with a creamier base. I printed the portrait in both. The tonality of the two prints is a little different in ways you would have to see in person, and the plate-finish paper produces a sharper, glossier result, more like most historical albumen prints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb
    This landscape really shows off the attraction of the self-masking property of albumen printing.
    David! I admired this landscape when you first posted it but this print knocks my socks off!

    The tonality of oval and triangle formed by the ground are what I call "good enough to eat!" I can only imagine how good it must look like "in person."

    Kudos!

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    Come by and take a look some time, Bob. Didn't we figure out that your office is two blocks from mine?
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    Wow...very nice!

    I've never done any Albumen prints, but your sucess is making me think I need to look into it more!

    Well done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb
    Come by and take a look some time, Bob. Didn't we figure out that your office is two blocks from mine?
    Yup. You could head east while I head west and we would bump into each other in front of the Butler library!

    We shall do coffee soon!

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    David,
    Thank you for the examples from your workshop! It just reaffirms my love for this process. I'll be looking for a workshop for sure now!
    Thanks again.
    Rick

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    Going back to Kerik's question about the grain in the scans, I looked more closely at the "Grant's Tomb" neg and the print with a 6x loupe, and I'm fairly sure that what's coming up in the scan is mainly print grain, surface texture, and scanner artifacts, more than film grain.

    I'm generally kind of fascinated with the interesting little details that show up in 8x10" negs that weren't noticed at the time of exposure, and in the grassy area I found what looks like someone holding up a child who is pointing north toward the George Washington Bridge (outside the frame) in that little patch of sun over there on the left side toward the middle of the frame. Attached is a smaller version of the print scan for reference, with an inverted neg scan at 1000 ppi of about a 5x4mm detail (about a quarter of a Minox frame) from the 8x10" neg. Again, this is a 1/2 sec. exposure, 8-1/4" Gold Dot Dagor at f:32, TMX in D-76 (1+1) developed for albumen.
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    David, sometimes what we interpret as print grain is really one of two possible other effects, or a combination of both.

    The first is the formation of tiny fog centers which appear as very tiny dark dots that look like grain.

    The other is the inclusion of the light sensitive material around 'centers' of paper fibers which then form clumps that look like grain but are really aggregations of light sensitive centers in groups associated with the fibres.

    In the final analysis, of course, you may call both of these effects grain for all practical purposes.

    The latter effect can sometimes be eliminated by using baryta paper, but the former can sometimes get worse with some baryta papers.

    You will also find that sharpness will generally improve on a baryta paper.

    I feel that I can comment reasonably well, as I saw some Albumen prints on FB single weight paper this week and was able to compare them with some prints on Bergger COT 320 and Strathmore, as well as the FB and an RC paper.

    While looking at the prints our group was having a lively discussion on the two topics above.

    PE

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