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    Ive ordered my Cranes 90# direct from cranes for the last few months. I order about 60 sheets of 23x29 at a time. Hasnt been a problem yet. they always manage to get the paper to me undamaged and spotless too

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    Quote Originally Posted by scootermm
    Ive ordered my Cranes 90# direct from cranes for the last few months. I order about 60 sheets of 23x29 at a time. Hasnt been a problem yet. they always manage to get the paper to me undamaged and spotless too
    Hi Scooter,

    Do you mind letting me know the product code on your invoice for Crane 90#? The Crane website isn't the easiest to find what you want. I enquired several times but got no reply from them.

    By the way, I wanted to buy Socorro from B&S recently but was told they don't have it anymore. Does anyone know if this is permanent?

    Thanks again.

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    Bienfang 360

    Smooth as a baby's bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eggshell
    Hi Scooter,

    Do you mind letting me know the product code on your invoice for Crane 90#? The Crane website isn't the easiest to find what you want. I enquired several times but got no reply from them.

    By the way, I wanted to buy Socorro from B&S recently but was told they don't have it anymore. Does anyone know if this is permanent?

    Thanks again.
    Just give Crane a call. They have an 800 number and ask to speak to someone about the Crane Direct Sales Program. You will be directed to someone that can inform you of the products available and take an order. The parent sized sheets come 20 to a pack (23x29). I looked on the label of one of my boxes and it reads, 'Natural White Wove wt 90'. The only thing that resembles a product number is '21469'. There is also a lot number and a bar code.

    As for the Socorro you may have to go through the Crane's dealer network to get the paper if B&S has stopped carrying it. That usually means you will need to purchase 500 sheet lots.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigK
    Bienfang 360

    Smooth as a baby's bottom.
    Where do you get this paper? Is it white or cream colored?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge
    Where do you get this paper? Is it white or cream colored?
    Jorge,

    Beinfang 360 is a drawing vellum and I've only seen it in withe. I comes in pads of various sizes. Google for it. Pearl Art supply is one source.

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    Looks like it is either Platine or COT320...

    I have been printing Gum over Pt/Pd on Artistico Extra White. I also make straight Pd prints on them too. I like it very much so far.

    I sometimes print on the back side of the paper on AEW or even Platine. Though I cannot be definitive since I have not done that much. But sometimes those "wires" get in the way of images. I rather see the texture of paper than "wires."

    I want to try Vellum paper and Beinfang 360. Beinfang is Lois Conner's paper which I have seen some prints of. I have tried it with cyanotype and vandyke, and it is very delicate when it is wet. I have thicker vellum paper sitting in my drawer...

    I sometimes wonder why people like Platine so much... Any thought?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigK
    Bienfang 360

    Smooth as a baby's bottom.
    While this paper is OK, it's a little difficult to work with when making larger prints. As an alternative, try Clearprint 100% Rag Drafting Vellum or Staedtler Mars 100% Rag Translucent Vellum. They are also very smooth, give incredible DMAX and have much better wet strength than Bienfang. I also find they give a warmer image tone than Bienfang, although they are all white papers.
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    Hi Kerik,

    I m remembering we used Fabriano and Cot 320 in your Gum over Platinum class, those results were quite nice....any updates or new info.....thanks for the tip on the Clearpoint rag...

    Dave in Vegas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wooten
    Hi Kerik,

    I m remembering we used Fabriano and Cot 320 in your Gum over Platinum class, those results were quite nice....any updates or new info.....thanks for the tip on the Clearpoint rag...

    Dave in Vegas
    Dave,

    Too much Moose Drool has clouded your memory a bit... We used Fabriano Artistico Extra White and Rives BFK 280 GSM white. COT 320 is not a good choice for gumover due to registration issues. Plus, it's about 5x the price of Fabriano. I am still using those 2 papers for gumover; usually Fabriano. Whatman's watercolor and Whatman's printmaking also work well for gumover, but they are much harder to find. For a while they were no longer available in the US, then I heard they were again, although I haven't confirmed that myself. I've still got about 100 full sheets in stock.
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