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    Carpenter's White Glue Process?

    Carpenter's White Glue Process?

    I just read a description of a vintage photographic print for sale. "Carpenter's White Glue Print." That's a new one on me! The print is American and from the early 40's. Anyone ever heard of the "glue process?"

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    Gene

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    I haven't heard of this as a direct print making technique, but white glue sensitized with dichromate is (or was) used routinely to make photographic silk screens. You coated the screen with the glue-dichromate mix, let it dry, exposed it through a coarse-screen halftone negative, washed out the unexposed resist, and printed. I suppose a gum-bichromate like printing process would be possible, using dyed or pigmented carpenters glue. Note that most carpenters glues now contain additives to reduce their solubility in water once they dry. Elmer's School Glue is an exception, and it seems to be similar to the old white carpenters glue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nworth View Post
    I haven't heard of this as a direct print making technique, but white glue sensitized with dichromate is (or was) used routinely to make photographic silk screens. You coated the screen with the glue-dichromate mix, let it dry, exposed it through a coarse-screen halftone negative, washed out the unexposed resist, and printed. I suppose a gum-bichromate like printing process would be possible, using dyed or pigmented carpenters glue. Note that most carpenters glues now contain additives to reduce their solubility in water once they dry. Elmer's School Glue is an exception, and it seems to be similar to the old white carpenters glue.
    That sounds kind of cool. I might want to try that some day.
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    I too have come across white PVA glue sensitised with potassium dichromate as a screen printing emulsion. I have the details in a book somewhere. It is contact exposed using UV light and creates clear areas in the screen where the film was black and solid areas where the film was clear so that once printed, a positive image is formed. I think it is developed/hardened in a sodium bicarbonate solution and then the un-exposed areas are washed out in running water.
    This process is suitable for solvent based or water based inks as it is waterproof. It is removed from the screen with household bleach.

    If it were adapted to pictorial use, it would be very high contrast as it is intended to be either solid or clear so the suggestion of using a halftone screen is good. As I recall, it is a light purple colour so additional pigment may be needed to contrast against the paper it is coated on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene_Laughter View Post
    Carpenter's White Glue Process?

    I just read a description of a vintage photographic print for sale. "Carpenter's White Glue Print." That's a new one on me! The print is American and from the early 40's. Anyone ever heard of the "glue process?"

    Thanks,

    Gene

    Gene,

    You appear to have found a kill-thread mechanism. That could be useful to have at times!!

    The only thing that comes to mind is that white glue has sometimes been recommended as a substitute for gum arabic in the gum bichromate, or direct carbon process. I played around with this myself many years ago, using plain white glue. This stuff is not waterproof, which I guess is what lets it work like other colloids.

    I am not an avid gummist but in following discussions on the subject I have noticed that folks are using a wide variety of substances (polyvinyl, gloy, white glue, tempera, etc.) other than pure gum arabic in processes which they continue to call gum.

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    Isn't white glue made from casein? There is a casein print process - I believe I've read about it on the unblinking eye - or maybe here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juan View Post
    Isn't white glue made from casein? There is a casein print process - I believe I've read about it on the unblinking eye - or maybe here.
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    No, Carpenter's White Glue was/is made with polyvinyl acetate. See:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter%27s_glue
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_acetate

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    Well, this link shows Elmer's glue (white glue) to be a casein glue- "Casein is a milk-cheese phosphoprotein." Although there are other references that say Elmer's is no longer made from casein.

    Here's an APUG thread on casein printing.

    Perhaps your old reference was to a time when the glue was still made of casein.
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    I've just found an email I once received from someone at Elmer's products, so I've asked her if Elmer's is casein - or what she might know about casein glues. I'll post when she answers.
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    You can take a look at the "glue print" here:

    http://tinyurl.com/2672wn

    Gene

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