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Old 07-08-2008, 12:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default A platinum print by any other name . . .

i don't know if this question belongs in the ethics/philosophy forum or here, but i'll plunge ahead anyway -- i have seen many prints in galleries described as 'platinum' for the medium, when it seems apparent they were printed with a combination of pt and pd .... on the other hand, i've also seen plenty of prints described on gallery walls as 'platinum/palladium' ...... the question: is there any standard or conformity to the practice of describing a print made with varying proportions of pt + pd as a 'platinum print' vs. a 'platinum/palladium print'? or is it all just marketing?

this question has been knocking around in my head for a while now, so i thought i'd toss it out to see what more experienced printers think/do

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Old 07-08-2008, 01:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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It's just trying to be accurate, you can have a Platinum print, a Palladium print or a combination. It's similar to Silver Gelatin, Silver/Selenium etc etc.

There's no standard labelling sstem and comes from Museum/Gallery curators who want to know the provenance and details.

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Old 07-08-2008, 02:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Strictly speaking a platinum is made using just platinum, a palladium print is made with just palladium, and a platinum/palladium print is made with a mixture of the two. There are very few pure platinum prints made nowadays so my assumption when someone describes a print as "platinum" is that it's actually pt/pd. Many people, for whatever reason, shorten platinum/palladium to platinum. Personally, I find platinum/palladium is a bit of a cumbersome so I tend to shorten it to platinum except in a situation when it's important for someone to understand how a particular print is made (like when they're thinking of buying it or when I'm posting here). Others may have different opinions of course.
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Old 07-08-2008, 02:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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When I am speaking or demonstrating prints I use platinum print as a short way (but i had explained it at the beginning).
When I label my prints for a sale or an exhibition I don't want to cheat people and I call platinum print a 100% Pt print, palladium print a 100% palladium (most of mine) and platinum/palladium or palladium/platinum print using first the most present of the two and I also say the paper name.
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Old 07-08-2008, 02:15 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
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Platinum only prints are pretty difficult as a printing medium, and the palladium helps with tone. Most prints described as "platinum" are platinum/palladium, even though they are described as "platinum prints". Most people that are into making or collecting them know this, and "platinum print" is used in general practice as a way describing them. You see pt/pd just as often. It doesn't carry a self absorbed affectation like calling an inkjet a "giclee", which is basically trying to dress something up with a fancy word.(of course that discussion is a merry-go round)

It boils down to how exact you want to be in your description. A pure platinum print doesn't generally carry a premium over a pt/pd print, or vice versa, and it doesn't seem to be a sticking point, nor a marketing affectation.
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Old 07-08-2008, 03:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Gosh, I wonder where I've been !

All along, I thought "Platinum" meant PLATINUM;
"Palladium" meant PALLADIUM;
and "Silver" meant SILVER.

"Platinum/Palladium" meant PLATINUM+PALLADIUM.

Calling a Pt/Pd print 'platinum' is as much a lie and affectation as
suggesting there is magic in Azo, that big cameras are better than small ones.
It is a way of trying to sell a poor picture that can't stand on its own merit.

Tomorrow, the truth about 'artist statements'.
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Ummmm...Big cameras are better than little ones. Kind of like an amplifier going to 11. It's just better.
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Calling a Pt/Pd print 'platinum' is as much a lie and affectation as
suggesting there is magic in Azo, that big cameras are better than small ones.
It is a way of trying to sell a poor picture that can't stand on its own merit.
If abbreviating "platinum/palladium" to "platinum" is intended to deceive then yes it's a lie.

But the vast majority of people I talk to about platinum prints don't know what palladium is and couldn't care less. The technical specifics are irrelevant for them - they want to know about the pictures, why I make them, and how the pictures make them feel. Abbreviating to just "platinum" actually helps them because it makes the geeky/techy side just a little bit more human.

If I'm talking to someone who does care about the technical specifics then of course I explain the role palladium plays, the ratios I use, the paper, etc.

Using long, complicated, jargon-like words when they're not necessary just switches people off. It's a matter of understanding what your audience wants and talking at the level of detail that's right for them. That's not lying, that's just good communication.
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As Ian said, most people have no clue the difference between platinum, platinum/palladium and palladium. They recognize the word "platinum", so that's the generic label I use when talking to someone uninformed. If they seem to have any interest at all, I go on to explain the distinction, and which method/mixture I have used for a particular image. There is no intent to deceive, just a simplification. To me, it's kind of like using the brand name for a car - my Honda Civic that uses a gas engine is the same brand and body style as the Civic Hybrid that runs a gas/electric motor. Most people are more concerned that it's a car and it gets them from point a to point b, and won't make a distinction as a passenger which motor is powering it.
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Tomorrow, the truth about 'artist statements'.
Yes,
... and please address the zen of considering/expounding one's accomplishments in the third person.

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