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    when does a photograph stop being a photograph ?

    i guess the title kind of says it ...

    when does work on a photograph ( hand coloring, painting using waxes and dyes, and ink and pencil and ... ) turn the photograph into something else ?

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    What other light sensitive images are there? I mean isn't the term Photography inclusive rather than exclusive? Aren't we all under a fairly large tent? Prints on paper have been tinted and colored since the beginning. I find your cyanotypes and your long sun exposures on paper fascinating. There are two or three that I simply love, and if I had Cindy Sherman's money...
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    I had the same question, about this one, last year: http://www.apug.org/gallery1/showima...imageuser=7387

    I came to the conclusion that the artist can call it whatever he/she wishes. I assume you're referring to your new work. You can call it a photograph (it is), a painting (it is), a drawing (it is). Whatever you wanna call 'em, I like 'em... They're really creative, and appealing, images.

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    Maybe you'd need a probablistic solution of some sort. Ask 1000 people to rate the photographic-ness of an object on a scale from 1-10 and analyze the results. It reminds me of strolling through an exhibition of pictorialism with my girlfriend and I was explaining all the processes used to make the images. We arrived at a photogravure and after some explanation--she said, "So that's not an actual photograph, then?" My eloquent response was, "Ahhhhhhhh...", and quickly walking on. The answer is to act like (and call yourself) an artist, not a photographer. Then you can simply list the materials beneath the title--gelatin silver print, wax, pigment, duck bills, twine, and mica.

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    John,
    Worrying about what to call an artwork is a job for your biographer. You just keep making them and we'll be happy.

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    thanks for the encouragement !

    i have been thinking that
    some of these images are so
    non-photographic, they don't belong
    on a photography website ..

    ( although they do use photosensitive material and light to make
    the initial image ... )
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    Call them "mixed media". That is a common catch-all for pieces made from several different disciplines.
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    Or more importantly, when does a photograph stop being a photograph?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    i have been thinking that
    some of these images are so
    non-photographic, they don't belong
    on a photography website ..
    If you're speaking of your images and this website, I don't recall seeing anyone complain so far. Put me in the "it doesn't matter what you call it" camp.

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    I don't know...but I think your recent pictures certainly belong here.

    Crap like this is why I just call them pictures or prints.
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