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    Hi Ed

    once again I must disagree

    I have Omegas, Cromegas, Durst and Deveere.
    By far the easiest enlarger to work with and lazer align is the omega.
    I do agree with you that the Durst is a very good enlarger , no argument, as well we use Durst Lambda, and Epson 9600.
    All these items are just tools to make good images with.
    The bulk of the work I do is with a condensor Omega enlarger, I love its ease of use. With three filter split contrast printing this paticular enlarger is a breeze to work with.

    Nicole , if you can find one of these puppys in Austrailia , do not hesitate , you will be well served with an Omega condensor.

    As well , can we end this thread soon, I'm getting tired

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    Now in Australia.. I'd suspect that it might be easier to find a nice Durst than to get an Omega..
    yep! and in Perth she probably won't be able to that picky at all! The US and European markets are vastly different to here where there wasn't the sheer volume of stuff sold initially. Here in Melb, a 4x5 enlarger comes up in the local Trading Post for sale paper every few weeks, there's no selection of them to choose from and that will be a lot bigger market than Perth.. The dealers still want way to much and I think you can still buy new ones for silly (i.e. expensive) prices. I have been chasing a LPL 7451/7452 for ages and every one that was advertised was sold before I could get near it. One guy told me his was sold over the phone without thev guy looking at it. I ended up getting a 7451.

    So, my advice would be to see whats available, do some research into that model do decide it it a candidate, then make sure it's got all it's bits with it. Get a good lens if it doesn't already and away you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie
    Hi Ed

    once again I must disagree with you.

    Ed if you have moved on so be it but I think your comments are totally off base and misleading,.
    What moved on? I may have racks filled with servers, TBs of storage arrays and enough capacity to raster the next Pixar film, high resolution true-colour display devices etc. but I don't even own a digital camera (OK if we ignore the digi-video cameras).. The closest I get to "digital photography" is a site we created and operate for Fujitsu Middle Europe for a monthy photo contest (http://photo.fujitsu.de). I can't get too excited about digital image capture and maniplation.. Some of the satellite stuff is, however, quite cool and very usefull especially together with some of the other technologies we are working with...

    But the commercial market has moved on. Here in Germany the markets have all broken away and most of the players have keiled over. PSL (daughter of Tetenal and distributor for, among other brands, Foba and Sinar) used to be around the corner (I'm in the middle of the traditonal publishing and fashion centre of Munich) but they went south.. Film-Art and PPS went south and is now part of Calumet.. its all breaking away and most of the traditional shops have been tossing out their gear.. if they are not being tossed out into the cold streets.. Everyone I hear in the industry keep singing me the same song.. "The party is over"..

    If there was still a market why do you think that Durst has left the "analog" market? Or DeVere crossed the Jordan? Or.. Now.. I don't agree with the stuff I'm hearing but I've been hearing it from among others the heads of some very well established traditional German photographic and optical companies.. For many it seems just a question of "when" to "call it a day"...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nige
    yep! and in Perth she probably won't be able to that picky at all! The US and European markets are vastly different to here where there wasn't the sheer volume of stuff sold initially. .
    One thing to also keep in mind... a smaller enlarger can be more cheaply moved about and even shipped by boat. Moving a freestanding L-138 across town is a pain but something like a Kaiser V-System can be packed up in a box and sent with the post.. A lot of Focomat Ic and even IIc enlargers are moving these days from Europe (where they are cheap) to Asia (where they are under demand as object of extreme desire and high prices).... and it seems to not even be that expensive..
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    Hi Ed

    Didn't want to burst your bubble but your statements need some clarification
    as this thread is getting too long.

    durst usa -does retrofits for 8x10 condenser enlarger, call Jens and he can hook you up
    durst Italy - produces an unit called a Lambda. We have been putting analog paper (fibre) for two years now elevatordigital.ca (oops a plug)
    San Miguel Photo Lab have been using a DEVEERE digital retrofit for the last two years on their enlargers to produce fine art fibre prints
    Image Press Germany - have been touting a digital fibre printer ( I don,t speak german but if I did I could tell you which unit they are using.I suspect it is the Mullerston unit which manufactures the Deveere unit.
    I would not be suprised that Picto -France and a contender in the UK doesn't buy into this technology.
    To say analog is not vibrant ,is to say the least misleading, maybe in your world and your employees this is so. But not mine.
    This is totally off Nicoles original post, but if I listen to you I will quit .
    These advances in technology will require analog materials which will secure a supply of materials for Nicole and other young photographers to use for years to come.

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    Hi everyone!

    This has become an interesting thread. Thank you all for your input! My options in West Australia are very limited, but the internet does help - especially the APUGers.

    In the meantime I have discovered a friend of mine has an entire kit which was top quality back then packed away in his attic for the past 20 years. He'll pull it out this weekend for me to have a look at and see what still works and what doesn't.

    Then I'll have to find out how much it's worth on today's market and whether I can still get parts if necessary.

    I'll keep you posted as to what's in the kit for some more of your advice and tips if that's ok.

    Fingers crossed Santa will be nice to me this year!


    Kind regards to all
    Nicole

    And don't get your knickers in a knot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie
    Hi Ed

    Didn't want to burst your bubble but your statements need some clarification
    as this thread is getting too long.
    Not such thing as "too long a thread" as long as there is content. Its about content, afterall.. and while we have detoured into other terrain I don't think we have hardly left the subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie

    durst usa -does retrofits for 8x10 condenser enlarger, call Jens and he can hook you up
    Hardly as I'm in Germany. Jensen has some cool stuff but he's not set to serve the European marketplace. Luckily, however in contrast to North America, we have a very good supply of Durst gear floating around--- one needs to recall that Durst, like many of the other photographic companies in South Tirol, considers themself a German company and they had a very high share of the market (which is also fine given the very good quality).

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie

    durst Italy - produces an unit called a Lambda. We have been putting analog paper (fibre) for two years now elevatordigital.ca (oops a plug)
    San Miguel Photo Lab have been using a DEVEERE digital retrofit for the last two years on their enlargers to produce fine art fibre prints
    Image Press Germany - have been touting a digital fibre printer ( I don,t speak german but if I did I could tell you which unit they are using.I suspect it is the Mullerston unit which manufactures the Deveere unit.
    I would not be suprised that Picto -France and a contender in the UK doesn't buy into this technology.
    The trend to digital--- save some of the quad ink-jet stuff that have been penetrating into "Fine art" circles--- is and shall probably remain very much silver-halide based within the current technological horizon. Given, however, the cost of ownership of the technology and the product lifecycles the shift is from in house to services and we've seen a large rush of companies trying their luck.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie
    To say analog is not vibrant ,is to say the least misleading, maybe in your world and your employees this is so. But not mine.
    This is totally off Nicoles original post, but if I listen to you I will quit .
    Why. The glory days of portrait photography too are well behind us but there are scores of portrait photographers still supporting their families with the trade--- and some, in fact, able to have a very good standard of living (although I don't quite expect any to the relative level that Richard Beard earned in the 1840s (which was as much as £125/day--- 1840s money-- in a time when the average yearly income was not even as much as £2/Day in 2004 money).

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie
    These advances in technology will require analog materials which will secure a supply of materials for Nicole and other young photographers to use for years to come.
    I'd stay off from "will" (to much of a projection into a future of very volatile markets) and keep to "These advances in technology require analog materials ".
    Given the low-tech nature of photographic papers and chemistries I see little reason why--- irrespective of the developments in the mainstream-- the "supply of materials for Nicole and other young photographers to use for years to come" should even be questioned. Paper art is not set to vanish and photography is hardly dead. I'm convinced that there is still tremendous potential for money to be made... But the old formulas and business models are finished... and the players all know it.. and given a lack of vision and flexibility of many.. its created a very doomsday feeling. Add the observation that the past Photokina was little more than a Photo-China--- and one considers the total collapse of the information technology markets following a high flying and senseless boom driven by false promises and ignorance-- then there is perhaps good reason to the songs I hear...
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    Nicole, I hope everything works out for you in setting up your darkroom. I think things got a little off-topic with opinions and such. Best of luck.

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