Update from Jobo RE the CPP3 at photokina
Just got this email today with some more info regarding the projected Jobo CPP3 processor scheduled to be shown at photokina:
JOBO introduces CPP-3 processor at photokina 2012.
The family of analogue photographers enjoys a steady membership
around the globe and pro-labs are continuing to decline in numbers.
The new CPP-3 processor offers repeatable high quality film
processing, using the tried- and-tested technology of rotary processing:
• Automatic agitation
• Automatic temperature control
• Freshness of chemical solutions (one shot processing)
• Economical usage of solutions, for intermittent work
• Processing time control
CPP-3 is an improved version of JOBO’s Colorprocessor CPP-2. It is
compatible with all JOBO film tanks and print drums and suitable for all kinds of silver halide films
and prints. With the JOBO Lift mounted on the processor it makes for easy and clean handling of
working solutions. These solutions can be conveniently held ready for use, in six individual one litre
bottles, each positioned securely in the water jacket.
See the full press release PDF attached here.
I can try to answer some questions if any one has them about this.
In any case - more good news, stuff is moving in the right direction!
That's close to US$3500 for the kit. What kind of tech/service support is there for US/Canada presently?
Can't help but think they're a bit late to the party.
Originally Posted by CGW
The US price may be different due to shipping and supply reasons (higher or lower).
Don't know what the plan for US Dist/after sales support is yet, but i will be at photokina and will be able perhaps to come back with better answers regarding that question.
Jobo is planning a 115V production of the unit, but according to them, it will be available later then the 220V machine.
What do you mean by late to the party?
Last edited by CatLABS; 08-10-2012 at 08:04 AM. Click to view previous post history.
Late by a few years, especially with the future demand situation for film. Isn't this also what's likely behind the silence from Plustek on the new 120 film scanner that's yet to appear?
Originally Posted by krifartida
Sheeeesh! "Late to the party," indeed! What is with you guys? And the price? 437 or so rolls of film processed, and it's paid for itself. Of course, if you don't shoot that much in two or three years, I can understand that you'd regard the price as a bit steep.
The ATL series isn't manufactured any longer, and this processor is the only new Jobo unit available. Argh, the name escapes me, but there's another automated or semi-automated unit, and its price is also "high."
(grumble "late to the party" someone might think you want Jobo dead grumble)
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Late? They're early.
This product is clearly aimed at the future, bottomed-out, film processing market. It's a lower-volume development unit to serve as a scaled-down replacement for all those larger labs that are shutting down for lack of volume. That it happens to be an updated older, proven product saves on all kinds of R&D and tooling expense. It's a lot like Ilford's advantage of having scaled down plants that can economically produce at today's lower volumes compared to the gigantic Kodak dinosaurs.
The larger labs--even smaller Fuji/Noritsu Walmart/Costco/Big Box of choice minilabs--closed film service for lack of customers. Close to 4 large is way steep for most casual shooters who can handle small volume processing for peanuts. JOBOs weren't exactly strong sellers 5 years ago.
Originally Posted by pbromaghin
It's price may be steep, but, how many non-pros are there, who can't wait to drop big $$$ on the latest, greatest, piece of gear that will make them the next "Big Pro"? A Lot! I can't believe how many non-pros compare their D4's, or whether they want to buy the D800 or the D800E, fast lenses, etc, on other sites. If you look at the list of gear that they claim to own, it leaves you wondering, how bad is the world economy really in
It has to be true. I read it on the internet, and you can't lie on the internet!!!!!
There are at least three dedicated Jobo service stations in the US that i know of at this moment.
Jobo have mentioned they are working on a 115V CPP3 for the US market, not sure if it will be released at the same time as the 220V machines.
Jobo ATL machines are available as fully refurbished units, later models are even available new, CPP2 have and are available new, so is the CPE2 (though the price makes it a non issue for most\all).
pbr* is right - the idea of this new production is geared towards extremely small capacity runs, with the lowest possible amounts of chemicals needed for 1 or each roll in the system, as well as the ability to reuse some of the chemical components. That said, as we all know the Jobo is a modular system and on the CPP machine this means you can reach very high capacity volumes, the same as in any large ATL machine, with out the need for endless and complex pumps, motors and space and size limitations of the larger machines.
Not to mention the CPP2 has a 30 year history and the CPP3 will be improving some of the known issues, and adding new features. (most likely also creating some new issues to overcome, but thats with any new product).
Brian is also right, this price dictates that it will become cost effective after the first 400 rolls run through it. I guess after participating in APUG threads for more then a year now i realized that even for some "serious" shooters in this day and age, 20 rolls is a A LOT.
That does not mean folks shouldent team up and go commune style and pool their resources for the purchase of a Jobo machine (new or used). And besides any price tag shouldent be an issue for people who can spend 10 bucks a shot or more in 11X14 or whatever ULF.
5 years ago digital cameras and film processing labs were in a hugely different state, status and customer base.
Originally Posted by CGW
As someone noted - the whole world economic crisis seems to be just a slogan for some cause, judging by the way people are spending their money on what would be an esoteric\hobby\niche thing even 10 years ago.