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    Any *real* gain of a condenser head?

    I have two 4x5 Durst Laborator 1000 enlargers, both with color diffusion heads. 90% of what I print is B&W with some color here and there. In reality would I notice any difference in print quality by adding a condenser enlarger into the darkroom? I would ideally just like to pick up a condenser head for my other enlarger, but they are next to impossible to find.

    I hear both sides, one saying diffusion enlargers are too soft for B/W and other other saying, it's nothing worry about, just go ahead and use it.

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    I have 2 enlargers in my darkroom, a De Vere 504 with dichromatic head and a Durst Graduate condenser enlarger. Although both have their own special qualities, I probably use the Durst more often. I know the argument about dust with a condenser, but if you keep your negs clean, the snap of a print made with a condenser is one I prefer and a much simpler print to make (in my mind that is).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootar401 View Post
    . In reality would I notice any difference in print quality by adding a condenser enlarger into the darkroom? I would ideally just like to pick up a condenser head for my other enlarger,
    "Quality"? That's subjective. They are a bit different, but I would stop short of saying one was better than the other. I, too, have a pair of enlargers (Beselers) one with the color head, and one condenser. I could make prints of the same negative, and you would not be able to tell me with certainty which was which. I'm not saying they would be exactly the same, but it's not that obvious.

    Still, if you ever come across a condenser head for your enlarger at a price good to you, I would say: get it. It's all subjective, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootar401 View Post
    would I notice any difference in print quality by adding a condenser enlarger into the darkroom?
    The condenser heads are more efficient. More light per wattage. The drawback is that dust on the negative can be more prominent and the heads almost never have adjustable filtration.

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    I prefer diffusion enlargers. Depending on how your film is processed, I think highlights block up faster. There's more of a chance of "soot and chalk" prints. I don't know if other APUGers experience the same.
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    I have always printed with condenser heads and have developed my negatives accordingly but it does happen that a negative is to difficult to print with a condenser head so having both is a nice option.
    Just last week I received a new old stock Dichro S head for my 23C II and it can actually be used with both the original condenser and the diffusion chamber that comes with the head.
    It takes about 5 minutes at most to switch.
    An option available if you only want to have one enlarger.
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    Dear Shootar401,

    "In reality would I notice any difference in print quality...?"

    I have used both extensively and the slight difference in contrast between the two is dwarfed by all the other variables that we deal with. Personally, I would spend very little money converting from either system unless I was printing enough color for the convenience to make a difference. Of course having both types in the same darkroom looks very cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Brown View Post
    I, too, have a pair of enlargers (Beselers) one with the color head, and one condenser.
    I assume the Beseler condenser head has less a pointlight sourse than the Durst L 1000.

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    I am fortunate in the fact that I teach in a department with both types, so I can compare them at any time. I would recommend the same I teach my students: choose one to start with and make the best print you can from a negative you know well. Then swap heads and try to make a matching print. This will show you the differences better than any internet argument ever can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Davis View Post
    I am fortunate in the fact that I teach in a department with both types, so I can compare them at any time. I would recommend the same I teach my students: choose one to start with and make the best print you can from a negative you know well. Then swap heads and try to make a matching print. This will show you the differences better than any internet argument ever can.
    I agree with Greg's thinking.... Each negative is different, and each type of head is different. Try them both, with the same neg, and see which pleases you more. I have both, and generally prefer the condenser, but occasionally I find a negative that prints better with the diffusion head.
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