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    I'm obviously doing everything wrong! Single roll in only enough chemistry to cover it (can't imagine wasting the extra chemistry), no 2nd reel if only using one (usually want to keep that dry for another roll), different emulsions at the same time (not that the times align much but have done it)... there's probably others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Sorensen
    I saw the word idiot and was drawn like a moth to flame. It's hard to beat me on the idiot questions!
    Much the same here, but seeing the word, I assumed it must be one of mine that I'd forgotten I'd written...

    Cheers, Bob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Sorensen
    I saw the word idiot and was drawn like a moth to flame. It's hard to beat me on the idiot questions!

    Y'know....I leave my corner for one second to get a beer and somebody jumps right in...

    OKAY! I"M BACK NOW!!! Can I please have my corner!? SHEESH!


    Congrats!....and, uh, oh...welcome to the Dark Side! There's no turning back, now...


    Joe

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    Jeez, I thought I was the champ in idiotship! I feel so... vulnerable!
    Seriously, my father told me a long time ago: there are no stupid questions. That certainly applies here.
    I have been using a single reel with no clip or second reel, with no ill effects so far. Mind you, I feel these are probably good ideas, both. And if I can remember, I might use them - but most likely I will only start after its toolate and I am staring at a half developed roll...
    Also, I use the stirring stick, not inversions, so that makes my reels less prone to moving about - but still, the point remains, its a good idea. I think the only thing to note is that (as far as I know) two 120 rolls will not fit, but two 35mm should be fine in this particular tank.

    Peter.

    I just realized... they are all called "system 4", regardless of size... now I feel silly. The tank I am referring to is 6 inches tall (without lid). I think I deserve a loud and resounding "DOH!"
    Last edited by gnashings; 05-10-2006 at 08:45 PM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: now who is the idiot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald Koch
    A word of caution, do not attempt to develop two films that are of different emulsion types even though their development times may be the same. Development by-products from one film type may have a negative impact on the other film type.
    I've done this a few times without any visible harm. Fomapan 100 and Tri-X, for instance, have effectively identical process times in the developers I use -- and they're both common, ordinary, cubical grain B&W emulsions, nothing the least bit exotic about either one. I don't know that I'd want to process Fomapan 100 and T-Max 400 together, but you should be okay as long as all the films are conventional types, not T-Max, Delta, etc. "designer grain" films.
    Photography has always fascinated me -- as a child, simply for the magic of capturing an image onto glossy paper with a little box, but as an adult because of the unique juxtaposition of science and art -- the physics of optics, the mechanics of the camera, the chemistry of film and developer, alongside the art in seeing, composing, exposing, processing and printing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nige
    I'm obviously doing everything wrong! Single roll in only enough chemistry to cover it (can't imagine wasting the extra chemistry), no 2nd reel if only using one (usually want to keep that dry for another roll), different emulsions at the same time (not that the times align much but have done it)... there's probably others.
    I just had a student in my last beginner class who didn't bother with a reel on top and ended up with a roll that had a dark side and a light side because only about half of the film was in the developer between inversions. I was pretty amazed, I had never actually seen it before and had thought that I was probably being overly cautious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niclester
    Or maybe I am shooting too much film!
    Like Kino said, that is not possible!


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    Quote Originally Posted by niclester
    Thanks everyone for your advice.. Two at a time will speed things up a bit! Or maybe I am shooting too much film!
    I once had a Paterson three-reeler. Great for developing three rolls at once, but the downside was that it was quite possible to b***er up three rolls at once as well!

    As for filling the space of the of the second reel, I always took that as read because without either the "dummy" tube or an empty spiral, surely light could get in when filling, emptying, etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by niclester
    Hi,

    Just developed my first 35mm film at home yesterday, and man I have not had that much fun in a while. It was great stuff!

    I noticed that my Paterson System4 tank may fit two spirals in. Is it possible to do two films at a time? Do you need to double up on your chemicals?

    Cheers all!
    Mark your calendar - The Glorious Day- in remembrance of the blessed event. Cherish the day and celebrate accordingly and responsibly- doubling up on only the photographic "chemicals".
    "A certain amount of contempt for the material employed to express an idea is indispensable to the purest realization of this idea." Man Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Sorensen
    I just had a student in my last beginner class who didn't bother with a reel on top and ended up with a roll that had a dark side and a light side because only about half of the film was in the developer between inversions. I was pretty amazed, I had never actually seen it before and had thought that I was probably being overly cautious.
    I've accomplished that once... when I put 35mm worth of developer in for a 120 roll... oops! But, I've never had the reel move on the centre post.

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