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    Thanks for clarifying Louie That's what I figured but, wanted to be sure. For the glossy, I'm not sure I have seen the difference between the two. I just know that I like a nice shiny finish. Matte, lustre, and pearls are nice, just not the direction I want to go. I really wish I could see results printed on various papers to help decide. I noticed Kentmere had a sampler available at Freestyle that I might pick up. Who knows, we'll see. SO many options and still a little more time to ponder my direction

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    If you have ever seen an old drugstore print with the high gloss finish, that is a ferrotype finish. A glossy finish on fiber paper is much more subdued.
    Re:Monophoto's comment about ferrotyping being a PITA. He's NOT kidding.
    I think the screen frame kits is a lot easier than builing/finishing though.
    You buy the frame to size, they assemble with "l" brackets like some picture frames, & install screening. It's a bit more expensive, but you don't need to finish them, they're thinner and you don't need to be ripping the lumber to size.
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    Thanks John Can't say that I have seen an old drugstore print If ferrotyping is that much of a PITA, we'll save that for later... much later. For screen frame kits, are you referring to regular home type screens? So something I would order from the local hardware store or is this something a photography store might do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xia_Ke View Post
    Thanks John Can't say that I have seen an old drugstore print If ferrotyping is that much of a PITA, we'll save that for later... much later. For screen frame kits, are you referring to regular home type screens? So something I would order from the local hardware store or is this something a photography store might do?
    You can buy screen frames from Home Depot for $X. Or you can order special photographic screen frames from a speciality supplier like Calumet. They will cost you something like $5X.

    It's ALWAYS less expensive to be creative with readily available commodity items than it is to buy specialty items for photography (or boats, or just about any other adult hobby).
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    Thanks Louie I have a couple friends that work in construction. I should just bribe them with a 6 pack to make me something...LOL
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    I should just bribe them with a 6 pack
    That would be a good way, I bought a kit from Home Depot that cost 10 $'s or so, my screen is about 5 feet by 3 feet to fit the top of the tub enclosure. In addition to the kit, you may need to buy the little tool that forces the fabric into the channel in the frame, plus you might need a hacksaw. The six pack might be cheaper, although there is a lot to be said for projects that require additions to your tool collection

    FWIW, I agree with Monophoto and John, ferrotyping is too much of a hassle for a learning experience, when you can get a nice glossy surface with RC and no effort or hard to find equipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdial View Post
    ...The six pack might be cheaper, although there is a lot to be said for projects that require additions to your tool collection...
    True but, I already most everything I need. I would like to get a nice bandsaw and tablesaw but, living in an apartment, I don't exactly have room. Besides, the more I spend on tools and other crap, the less I have to spend on the necessities... film, paper, and chemicals Priorities, it's all about priorities...LOL
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    Alright, I've been doing a lot of reading/researching on different enlargers and I think I have narrowed it down to 2. Right now I'm leaning towards either an Omega B-22 or one of the Beseler 23C versions. Both are plentiful and reasonably priced on the used market and seem to have plenty of spare parts available if needed. Does anyone have any thoughts on these one way or the other? Thanks again for all the help.

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    Good Morning, Aaron,

    Assuming that you can get a good price (shouldn't be too hard) and the enlarger is in good condition, favor the 23C; if you succumb to GAS and get into larger-format negatives, the 23C will handle them, up to 6 x 9.

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    Thanks Konical I do have GAS but, I think next on the list is going to be a Mamiya 645 Pro TL or maybe a 'blad. I really need to get something with interchangeable backs and lenses. I love my Rollei but, just need something a bit more practical. I can't see myself going any larger than 6x6 though. If I do, it will be when I move up to 4x5 or 8x10 but, that's more of a very distant goal at this point.

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    "A good photograph is one that makes the viewer so aware of the subject that they are unaware of the print."- Kodak
    "...if you find afterwards that you made a mistake, the price of the film and chemicals was...tuition!" - greybeard
    "The hard part isnít the decisive moment or anything like that Ė itís getting the film on the reel!" - John Szarkowski

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