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    Finding a Single Condenser Lens

    A while ago, I hastily bought a Vivitar VI 6x7 conversion unit on eBay, in the hope of printing the occasional 6x7 negative in my collection. I buy "as is" obviously, and that time, it bit me back.

    When the unit arrived, I gave it a cursory look and stowed it away for a couple of weeks. Eventually, once I put it in the enlarger, I noticed that the condenser unit only had one lens. I thought nothing of it, until I realized that the light was not properly dispersed. I remembered condenser enlarger schemas: they always have two identical positive lenses placed convex-to-convex.

    The seller did his best to try to locate the missing lens, and after quite a few checks, nothing was found.

    I'm left with the following dilemma: either cry a little bit over the lost money, and save to find another 6x7 conversion unit; or try to find a way to add the missing condenser lens.

    Is there any hope? Are condenser lenses more or less standard between brands? Does anybody have a spare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michel Hardy-Vallée View Post
    A while ago, I hastily bought a Vivitar VI 6x7 conversion unit on eBay, in the hope of printing the occasional 6x7 negative in my collection. I buy "as is" obviously, and that time, it bit me back.

    When the unit arrived, I gave it a cursory look and stowed it away for a couple of weeks. Eventually, once I put it in the enlarger, I noticed that the condenser unit only had one lens. I thought nothing of it, until I realized that the light was not properly dispersed. I remembered condenser enlarger schemas: they always have two identical positive lenses placed convex-to-convex.

    The seller did his best to try to locate the missing lens, and after quite a few checks, nothing was found.

    I'm left with the following dilemma: either cry a little bit over the lost money, and save to find another 6x7 conversion unit; or try to find a way to add the missing condenser lens.

    Is there any hope? Are condenser lenses more or less standard between brands? Does anybody have a spare?
    Found this on the web:

    http://www.thorlabs.com/NewGroupPage...FQWTzAod92euMw
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    Back in the UK I have an article on making new condensors for a Durst, basically you buy a lens as in the link Ralph's posted then get a Glass shop to cut to size. The article was more about making the frame tohold the lens but there nothing difficult and it was very straight forward.

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    I called Thorlabs, and they can indeed cut something according to spec. I was wondering how could I measure the focal length of my condenser? Infinity focus test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michel Hardy-Vallée View Post
    I called Thorlabs, and they can indeed cut something according to spec. I was wondering how could I measure the focal length of my condenser? Infinity focus test?
    Can you not just give them the dimensions? It's a slice of a sphere, the diameter and the height should be all they need!
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    I think I saved the condenser unit from my old Bogen 67 enlarger. If I still have it, it's your for the price of shipping. I'll check tonight.

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    The condenser unit I have is 3 1/8" x 3 1/8" x 1 3/4". If it looks like it'll fit your head, I'll gladly send it to you.

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    Barry, here's a schematics of the lens.

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8959/Vivitar...0-%20copie.pdf

    I estimated focal length by focusing an infinity object and measuring the distance between the planar surface and the projected image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RalphLambrecht View Post
    Can you not just give them the dimensions? It's a slice of a sphere, the diameter and the height should be all they need!
    I asked the Thorlabs guy, and the problem is that they need the approx focal length. I presume that's because for the same shape, different types of glass would result in different focal lengths (i.e. because of the refraction index).
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    "One of the most singular characters of the hyposulphites, is the property their solutions possess of dissolving muriate of silver and retaining it in considerable quantity in permanent solution" — Sir John Frederick William Herschel, "On the Hyposulphurous Acid and its Compounds." The Edinburgh Philosophical Journal, Vol. 1 (8 Jan. 1819): 8-29. p. 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michel Hardy-Vallée View Post
    Barry, here's a schematics of the lens.

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8959/Vivitar...0-%20copie.pdf

    I estimated focal length by focusing an infinity object and measuring the distance between the planar surface and the projected image.
    My condenser unit doesn't easily open, so I can't measure the focal lengths. The size is a little smaller--3 1/8" vs 3 1/2", but it might work. It would sure be a lot less expensive than having a custom condenser lens made.

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