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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen Prunier View Post
    I'm in the design stage for building a darkroom. Other than the final wash of the print do you need to have running water? If there will be a bathroom across the hall would that be OK? I could mix up the chemicals needed before hand so they could be in the trays. I already do my B&W/E-6 in the bathroom. I'm just looking to make prints in the darkroom.

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    A darkroom without running water works, but it's a compromise. If you have running water across the hall, I'd find a way to get warm and cold water, including drainage, into the darkroom. Maybe, it's not the highest priority, but I wouldn't want to be without it for long.
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    I just want to say THANKS to everyone for your input. If I was to put it in my basement I would only have 6' of headroom with exposed pipes and I'm 6'3" so ouch!!!! LOL

    I don't mind using the other method for my E-6 work because if I do my job correctly at the camera I don't need to do much to it before printing. For B&W it just feels wrong. I have gotten nice results BUT it takes way to much of my time and I'm not really into PS even though I own it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayne View Post
    If there is a bathroom across the hall, you can use this. I've used a darkroom without running water for a while - but I won't lie to you - running water is MUCH more convenient and most of all: saves time. It also becomes more important once you start focusing on local bleaching (although you could still do this elsewhere) and really helps when it comes to cleaning trays and the like after a session. The drudgery of carrying water and trays back and forth tends to get to people after a while.

    What are your adjacent rooms? If the bathroom is adjacent or sharing a wall - you can gain access to the hot/cold water supply and tee from there. Most hot/cold supplies are 1/2" or 3/4" copper routed through walls or routed under a crawl space and then vertically run to a fixture. The point being that if you can find them, you can use them.
    I'm a licensed Carpenter in MA so I was already thinking of running pipes through my attic and use a reverse type flush system! LOL Don't get me started because in my line of work we like to say "sure you can have it, it's only $$$$" LOL

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    I have had temporary darkrooms (bathrooms) with running water, and now I have a permanent room without. While fully plumbed hot and cold with drainage would be nice, the permanent space is more valuable. My sink drain drops into a large bucket. For water I bring in a large container with a tap. As long as the volume I bring in does not exceed the capacity of the sump bucket, I'll have dry feet 8-) I do major washing of film and prints in the laundry area of the house where there is a sink and print washer. The print drying racks are in the darkroom.

    Putting in water and a drain would be difficult for my setup. If I did a lot of work the need would offset the issues. It is a balance that will be different for everyone.
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    Water doesn't run, it trickles. Seriously though I have had no running water in my darkroom for ages and it doesn't bother me. A few buckets and a little lifting is all it takes. Film/prints are washed in the kitchen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen Prunier View Post
    I'm a licensed Carpenter in MA so I was already thinking of running pipes through my attic and use a reverse type flush system! LOL Don't get me started because in my line of work we like to say "sure you can have it, it's only $$$$" LOL
    I don't know how much you know copper, or if you use it, but I didn't know how to work with copper before and took it upon myself to learn it in order to setup a sink. I'm glad I learned. It's not that difficult and if access isn't a hassle it's usually only moderately difficult to run another supply leg somewhere else. Drain is another thing to worry about, but as long as you don't mind holesawing around through the walls you'll probably be fine. ;-)
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    I was just kind of joking about running pipes through the attic. I could do it for reasonable $$ but it would be more than necessary. Plus I already have a long list of more important things that need to get done to the house first :rolleyes:

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    Having had dark rooms with and without running water I will agree that running water is a convience. The biggest difference I found is that setup & cleanup is much much easier with running water.

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    I will say that not having the convenience of running water teaches you to be "lean and mean" with your workflow.

    I have to remember to bring in water before I need it. I have to remember to empty my slop bucket before it gets full. If I don't I'll have to stop everything and go do it, wasting time in the process.

    When I develop film in the laundry room, I get all my stuff ready and measure out all my chems into plastic containers and carry it all to the sink in a plastic tray. I get my water up to temperature and temper my developer. I set my timer, I do my thing and it all works out great unless I forget something and I have to run back to the darkroom to get it. Then I have to hurry because, I might miss my next agitation time.

    On the other hand, when I'm on my game, I can have EVERYTHING cleaned up and put away before I am ready to hang the film up to dry. While the film is in the fixer, I can rinse out my plastic containers and put them in the drying rack. When the film is in the final rinse cycle, I can put away all my thermometers and utensils. By the time the film is hung up, all I have to do is rinse the Photo-Flo out of my reels and I'm finished. I can literally be turning off the lights and shutting the door 5 minutes after my film comes out of the rinse.

    If I ever do get water inside the darkroom I will be a lean, mean film-developing machine!
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    Darkroom & running water?

    That's the biggest issue in my eyes - the time lost to setup and teardown and just getting nickled and dimed by things requiring easily accessible water. The time wasting starts to add up.
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

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