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    Paterson Auto Print Washer Major (fibre-based papers): is really for 12x6in papers?

    I recently buyed the Paterson "Major" washer for fiber-based papers: this washer is theoretically for papers until the max format of 12x16in (30,5x40,6cm)....as described on the Paterson's website and in the instructions!!!
    Yesterday, after a sesssion of print with ILFORD GALERIE the incredible happened: i try to insert the papers in the washer and while you can insert the grade 3 papers with some difficulties, with the grade 2 papers, after you use with chemicals, is really difficult or is impossible!!!!
    THE PAPERS grew, lengthened and is impossible to insert in the print basket.
    It is normal for an article sold as usable for papers up to the size of 12x16in in fact is not workable as it measures only 40,5cm on the larger size?????
    Last edited by ciccioder; 03-07-2011 at 06:16 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    I was rather pissed off the first time I tried this and found I have to cut off about 1,5 cm of the paper to be sure I will be able to put it into the washer without risking damage on it. RC paper don't swell that much so you can squeeze it in if you are careful.
    I suppose this is one example of industrial designers who never actually have tried the product before sending it out on the market. If they had actually tried it in a darkroom they would of course have made it just that little bigger to make room for a wet sheet of paper.

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    I had one of these and it only accepts prints slightly larger than 12X15". It's a bit naughty of Paterson to advertise it as suitable up to 16x12.
    Norman is an island.Time and tide wait for Norman.

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    All this is absurd,
    if I had known before I would never have bought it ..... I do not spend € 200,00 complicate life instead of simplifying things!
    Paterson does not have to declare that the machine is suitable for all paper sizes up to 12x16": then this is identified as a washing machine for fiber base paper, which typically expands when moist !!!!!!!
    I'll try to go deeply into the question ....
    Basically, before exposing the paper I cut it?
    But we are crazy?
    This can give good for medium format but not the 35mm.

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    When these were readily available in the UK I seem to remember the technical blurb said they were for 12x15 inch sheets. That why a bought a Nova.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Twiss View Post
    When these were readily available in the UK I seem to remember the technical blurb said they were for 12x15 inch sheets. That why a bought a Nova.
    No, sorry, but the technical specifications clearly say that it is suitable for paper sizes up to 12x16"!! The washer is sell for baryta paper so, this is unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Twiss View Post
    When these were readily available in the UK I seem to remember the technical blurb said they were for 12x15 inch sheets. That why a bought a Nova.
    Now I come to think of it, I seem to remember the same thing. In fact, unless I'm completely ga-ga, I think I remember buying 12x15" paper years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blighty View Post
    Now I come to think of it, I seem to remember the same thing. In fact, unless I'm completely ga-ga, I think I remember buying 12x15" paper years ago.
    i post the link of Ag-Photographic:

    http://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/pat...2x16-776-p.asp

    and the link of Paterson:

    http://www.patersonphotographic.com/...ebc00c6db476bc

    and the same thing is said on the instructions!!

    i wrote an e-mail to Matthew of Ag-Photographic and one to Paterson...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciccioder View Post
    No, sorry, but the technical specifications clearly say that it is suitable for paper sizes up to 12x16"!! The washer is sell for baryta paper so, this is unacceptable.
    No argument with you there. I was going back 10 years and decided not to buy one at the time because they only did papers up to 12x15. Obviously in the intervening period they decided to make it bigger - just not big enough it transpires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciccioder View Post
    i post the link of Ag-Photographic:

    http://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/pat...2x16-776-p.asp

    and the link of Paterson:

    http://www.patersonphotographic.com/...ebc00c6db476bc

    and the same thing is said on the instructions!!

    i wrote an e-mail to Matthew of Ag-Photographic and one to Paterson...
    Hi. We have amended the description on the site. We were unaware of the potential problems with this washer.

    I have done some research: The story from Paterson is that the design was changed. Originally, years ago, it was a 12x15" washer, but they modified the tooling to make it a 12x16" washer, however it was only possible to make it just 12x16 - without completely making new tooling (tooling for this washer would be something like £30,000, probably a lot more).

    Paterson are a decent bunch - I'm sure we can sort something out,

    Matt.

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