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    Thanks, all! I used 3 L today (I have Cesco trays for developer and stop) and it worked fine. The rest of the process, now that's another story... Well, the prints turned out ok, mostly. But man is it a PITA to deal with paper that big! And then getting the liquid out of each tray afterwards without spilling everywhere (I'm not exactly musclebound). I don't like getting chemicals on my hands, so I used two tongs for each chem - only dropped or knocked 5 onto the sink or the floor. I think I only scratched one (probably with the glass plate when I put it down) and I think only one has a slight bend in it (and it's outside the image area). I got 9 16x20 prints (from 2 14x17 plates) and 3 11x14 prints (all the same) done in nearly 4 hours. Need to do some adapting and modifying before next week.

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    Sounds Great. Wow those are big. Imagine the camera.
    Please bring prints to show NE OH Gathering May 6-8.

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    Dear Bethe,

    Try using examination gloves rather than tongs for large prints.

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    Agree with Neal about the gloves. I NEVER use tongs for any size over 8x10. Dimpled prints are such a shame. Also, if the trays are too big to lift, tilt them and use a beaker, like a one or two liter one, and take most of the liquid out that way first. Makes it easier to get the last bit out.

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    Yeah, use gloves with prints that large, as Marek suggests. Much more secure than tongs, especially with RC paper, which is slicker on the back side.

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    tilt them and use a beaker, like a one or two liter one, and take most of the liquid out that way first.
    Yup, did that.
    The only problem with gloves is that I'd end up going through nearly a box and I don't have any right now. Gotta stock up before I do more. I'm also very picky about gloves having worked in a lab and they'll probably end up costing me more than the chemicals do.

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    I wear just one glove. That way I have a hand that I use to handle the dry paper, and another hand that I can get wet. The gloved hand gets rinsed regularly, and can hold a tong.
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    I print only fiber paper at that size (Ilford MG warm tone). I use about 6 liters of ilford multigrade diluted 1+9. The larger volume of solution means I can get the print under the solution quickly during the initial development stages. I wear a fresh pair of disposable nitril gloves for each print to keep contamination from happening and to keep myself from developing sensitivities. I took a lot of printmaking classes during my undergrad and I value safety. It also allows me to handle the prints under the enlarger without worrying about leaving finger prints. It's easier than putting on cloth gloves to do the enlarging then taking them off to do the chemical baths.

    I develop the sheets face down for most of the process to prevent fogging from the safelights. I have about 1/2 inch of white edge around the paper giving me somewhere to handle it.

    I usually take advantage of the large 16x20 tray after running a 16x20 edition to bang off a ton of personal 8x10's on RC paper. I can develop up to 8 sheets at once if I don't screw up.

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    This has been interesting to me as I want to move up to 16x20 as well. The only thing holding me back is not having trays or a print washer that large yet. I only have an 11x14.

    It's funny everyone mentioning about using gloves. I always just use my bare hands in the chemicals. How harmful could they possibly be? I do use gloves for toning though. I can only imaging how hard it would be to handle large paper like that though!

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    Use gloves. Just do it. 16x20 is actually not that hard to handle if you have the room. I have been unlucky enough to do them in a friends friggin bathroom and lucky enough to do them in a proper darkroom with enough space to line the trays up. Once the logistics are figured out it just works.
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