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    Vintage Wide Lens for 4x5

    I've been collecting historic (pre-Civil War) and vintage (1900-1930) lenses for awhile now, but am now looking for a newer lens. What I have in mind is a coated lens with X-sync that is fairly wide angle (e.g. 90mm to maybe 130mm.) I want a top line premium lens from the 1940s to mid 1950s, I think. Nothing newer. I've been looking at a Kodak Ektar 127mm, but am also considering a DAGOR. What else is out there? I will be using the lens for night shots of trains, using flash (fired by CyberSync radio triggers.) What wide lens was O.W. Link using?

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    What wide lens was O.W. Link using?
    100mm WA Dagor I'd guess.
    Last edited by ic-racer; 01-12-2013 at 01:10 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Kodak lenses from the period you are looking at (1900-1930) would be labeled Anastigmat Special. Ektar came in after coating started, though some of the later "Special" lenses I've seen are coated. This 1953 Kodak lens catalogue gives a good idea of what's available from them.

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    Coated with a flash sync - you might look for a post WWII Meyer Wide Angle Aristostigmat, the 80mm covers 5x4, or a 90mm Angulon.

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    Kent, the 127/4.7 Ektar is a tessar type. Ain't no way it is a wide angle lens.

    In addition to the wide angles suggested (Angulon, WW Aristostigmat) you might think about a Wide Field Ektar (read about all Ektars here: http://www.bnphoto.org/bnphoto/KodakEktarsDB-Index.htm) or a Cooke Ser. VIIb. You might also want to consider a Wollensak wide angle, see http://www.cameraeccentric.com/html/...llensak_5.html .

    All of these but the Angulon and (I think) the Wollys are 4 elements in 4 groups double Gauss types. The f/9.5 Wolly is an 8/4 double Gauss, I'm not sure what the f/12.5 is. I have and use an 80/6.3 WF Ektar, am very happy with it; not for you 'cos it won't cover 4x5. I have and don't use a 100/6.3 WW Aristostigmat; it isn't much good at large apertures, using it as a normal lens on a 2x3 Speed Graphic makes no sense.

    Finally, Schneider brought f/8 Super Angulons to market in 1956. They'd just meet your mid-50s criterion and are very fine lenses.

    Dagors' coverage is frequently disputed. My friend Eric Beltrando wrote a ray-tracing program and has used it to evaluate lens designs, got most of the prescriptions from patents. He has told me pointedly that f/6.8 and f/7.7 Dagor types cover at best 70 degrees and for stringent applications shouldn't be counted on for more than 55 degress. Visit www.dioptrique.info to learn more. f/8 and f/9 wide angle Dagors have more coverage, are typically very expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    Kent, the 127/4.7 Ektar is a tessar type. Ain't no way it is a wide angle lens.
    Maybe not on its 'intended format' but 127mm is a wide angle when on 4x5 format. It would give a diagonal angle of view similar to a 35mm lens on a 35mm camera.

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    ic, the normal focal length for 24x36 is 43 mm. 35 mm on 24x36 isn't very wide.

    A 127 mm covering covers 150 mm requires a 61 degree angle of view. That's hardly what most of us mean by wide angle, and that's about as far as an f/4.7 tessar will go.

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    A Rodenstock Ysarex 127 from a Polaroid 110a or 110b will give you what you are asking for. It covers 4x5 easily with room for movements.
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    You might find the 90mm wide angle perfect for your needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    ic, the normal focal length for 24x36 is 43 mm. 35 mm on 24x36 isn't very wide.

    A 127 mm covering covers 150 mm requires a 61 degree angle of view. That's hardly what most of us mean by wide angle, and that's about as far as an f/4.7 tessar will go.
    So it is a wide angle, that is what I thought.

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