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    Ansco Korona Series V is it a 5x7?

    Been digging around the net trying to positively ID this camera negative size and if it is a plate or a film camera.

    Been Googling and found similar cameras, but no exact match.

    Thanks!
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    After looking around for a couple of hours, still no luck. Oh well, guess I will know in about a week from now; I won it on Ebay.

    That's it for me; I feel a divorce coming on, but I couldn't let it go without a token bid... that won.

    Sheesh...

    Being that I found 8, 5x7 film holders in a garage sale a week ago, I thought it predestined...

    At least, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    Now, off the computer and tomorrow, actually expose, process and print some film; what a novelty.

    Laying carpet in the doghouse.

    Frank.

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    About half way down this page: http://www.cameraeccentric.com/html/info.html is a scan of a Korona catalog. I don't see a V, but it looks like other models were offered in a variety of sizes. I looked at the eBay completed listing, hoping the focal length of the lens was listed, as that would indicate the film size, but no luck. It looks to me like someone has grafted a Speed Graphic side handle and optical viewfinder onto the camera, which I consider a plus as far as a usable camera. You can use it handheld with scale focusing if you want. Something about the size of the finder relative to the body makes me think it is more likely a 4X5, but the pictures are a bit dark on my monitor and my morning coffee hasn't kicked in. When you get the camera, please tell us what it is. I'll be wondering. One thing to check when you get it - make sure the groundglass is the right registration for "modern" film holders. Some of the early cameras designed for plates were different. Whatever the size, it looks like a fun camera for not a lot of money. If it turn out to be 4X5, you have an excuse to find a 5X7 so your newly found holders don't go to waste.

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    Thank you Len, I will certainly let you know what size it turns out to be and thanks for the tip on the film holders; I was wondering if there was any difference...

    BTW, "Korona" seems to be associated with a number of companies, Agfa, Ansco, Gunlach and so on. This seem to imply a type of camera rather than a trademark associated with a company. What is the deal with "Korona"?

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    As far as I know, the Korona name was only used by the Gundlach company for various models they sold. This is how Korona is listed in McKeown's Price Guide. I can't say his information is always completely accurate. I know mine isn't, so if you find out Korona was used by someone else, I'd like to know. I suspect some of the eBay listings have somewhat confusing information. I've seen cameras with no name plate identified by the name of the lens or even the name of the shutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Robertson
    When you get the camera, please tell us what it is. I'll be wondering. One thing to check when you get it - make sure the groundglass is the right registration for "modern" film holders.
    Len,

    It just walked in the door and it is indeed a Gundlach Series V Korona camera but it is NOT a 4x5 or a 5x7 but appears to be a 3 1/4 x 4 1/4 plate camera.

    The lensboard has geared rise and fall, the bed extends the lens to about 16 inches from the film plane, but would go farther if the bellows reached and the back has a slight tilt capability.

    I cannot find it in any of the sources you listed.

    Would be happy to send you a few .jpgs if you will pm me.

    Thanks.
    Frank

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    After playing with it and examining it, this camera is a real Frankenstein camera. The lens is at infinity focus when the front standard is almost off the back side of the focus bed rails and the pointer is no where near the hand-made focus scale. It suggests that a longer focal length lens was on this camera in the past. The current lens is about a 5 inch Wollensak (with Anthony Scovil and Ansco stamped on it) in a pneumatic shutter and the handmade focus scale suggests at least a 6 or 7 inch lens was on this camera at one time.

    A neat feature is the back that automatically extends to the rear about 1/2 inch to allow slight tilts but no swings on the back.

    The Graflex viewfinder appears to have no relation to the current lens what so ever, but it does appear to have the proper 3 1/4 x 4 1/4 mask inserted.

    The bed has an amazing potential to extend, but the bellows stops short of going out the last bit of the rail, as seen in the photos.

    I am beginning to suspect that 3 or 4 cameras were cobbled together to make this camera.

    Anyway, its a nice looking camera and it will make a good display unit if I can't find film holders and get it operational.


    Frank
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    Frank - This page: http://www.fiberq.com/cam/gund.htm show only the Gunlach view cameras, but indicates your camera was made from 1896-1928. I have a 1928-29 catalog from Central Camera Co., Chicago, which shows Korona V models in 4X5 and 5X7 sizes. Lens options are listed as "F6.3 Gundlach Ser. IV, Betax shutter" or "Series 2 Turner-Reich Anastigmat F6.8", but focal lengths aren't indicated. It was also sold body only without lens, so maybe the original lens wasn't robbed from yours, although it looks like there was originally a focusing scale that is now missing.The 4X5 V is listed with 15 1/2" bellows extension, dimensions 4 1/4 X 6 1/4 X 6 1/4", weight is 3 lbs, with a 2X2" lensboard. How close is your camera to these dimensions? Usually 3X4 models were slightly smaller than the 4X5 version, but some makers may have used the same body with different size backs. Your one JPG that shows the back makes the back look slightly small in proportion to the body, but that is hard to tell from a photo.

    I happened to notice these holders on eBay: 7616054046 I have no idea if they will fit your camera, but they are Gundlach. They are listed as glass plate holders, but the second pic seems to show film rails inside the holder. Sellers sometimes get confused on the film/plate thing. I didn't search eBay for 3X4 holders; there may be dozens all the time.

    It looks like a fun camera to use. If the lens/shutter aren't satisfactory, you can get a Ektar or Optar or such. I think someone (J&C?) may have 3X4 film available, or just cut down 4X5. If you find out anything more, or start shooting with it, I'd love to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Robertson
    The 4X5 V is listed with 15 1/2" bellows extension, dimensions 4 1/4 X 6 1/4 X 6 1/4", weight is 3 lbs, with a 2X2" lensboard. How close is your camera to these dimensions?
    Len,

    The camera is 7 wide by 7 tall by 4 1/4 deep and the bellows are about 14 inches long if you measure just the bellows, the weight is about right (3 lbs) and the lensboard is 2 1/2 square; doesn't appear to be the same camera.

    Quote Originally Posted by Len Robertson
    I happened to notice these holders on eBay: 7616054046 I have no idea if they will fit your camera, but they are Gundlach. They are listed as glass plate holders, but the second pic seems to show film rails inside the holder. Sellers sometimes get confused on the film/plate thing. I didn't search eBay for 3X4 holders; there may be dozens all the time.
    Thank you for that link. I have found plenty of Graflex film holders, but missed these holders; certainly worth a try!

    Quote Originally Posted by Len Robertson
    It looks like a fun camera to use. If the lens/shutter aren't satisfactory, you can get a Ektar or Optar or such. I think someone (J&C?) may have 3X4 film available, or just cut down 4X5. If you find out anything more, or start shooting with it, I'd love to know.
    It should be a blast to operate once I get my film holders! It certainly needs a more of a telephoto lens than it has on; but the shutter seems very good on this unit.

    I plan on cutting a few feet of 5 inch Plux-X aerial film down to shoot, providing I find working film holders.

    Thanks again, I will keep you posted.

    Frank

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    The camera is 7 wide by 7 tall by 4 1/4 deep and the bellows are about 14 inches long if you measure just the bellows, the weight is about right (3 lbs) and the lensboard is 2 1/2 square; doesn't appear to be the same camera.

    Interesting yours is slightly larger than the 4X5 in the Central catalog. I really wonder if your body was available with a 4X5 back. I assume the back is removable to change from horizontal to vertical. If you could find a 4X5 version with a trashed bellows for cheap, the back might fit your camera. I would shoot 3X4 for awhile and see if you like the camera though. The 3 lb. weight is the really nice feature. The 1/2" larger lensboard size may seem trivial, but with such a small board, at some point you will appreciate the extra 1/2". I have even made a "sandwich" lensboard with a slightly larger board out in front of the small board in order to fit a lens mounting ring that was too big for the stock board.


    Thank you for that link. I have found plenty of Graflex film holders, but missed these holders; certainly worth a try!

    As I said before, newer holders may work, but check the registration with the groundglass to make sure the distance is the same. If you end up buying some holders that don't fit, it will give you an excuse to buy another camera to use them with.

    I see Gundlach catalogs on eBay fairly often, but I think they sell for a bit. You might email a seller and see if a particular catalog shows a 3X4 Series V before you buy.

    To me, what really makes your Korona worthwhile is the Graphic viewfinder and side handle. I have a 5X7 Premo No.9 I've always want to modify like this.

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