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    It is just about chopping up time & space, various games with infinity and how colour effects form & sentiment and as part of my conception I wished to do it in a very specific (and now it appears possibly annoying ) way...... nothing to loose sleep over... and there is certainly nothing sinister lurking in my heart..... Annie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnmilikan
    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge
    A picture is worth a thousand words.

    http://www.benderphoto.com/4x10pa.htm
    Jorge,

    That is what I was alluding to. The 7X11 format would by it's aspect ratio normally be considered a panoramic format. Just as your and my 12X20 format. All of the panoramic images that I have seen are presented horizontally. Maybe you have seen some that I haven't and if you have I would appreciate knowing about them. In fact the aspect ratio of the 7X11 is is very near the 12X20. Typically a diptych or triptych would be used on a horizontal (panoramic) image and it would be used to separate the long dimension rather then the short dimension (at least all that I have seen have been presented that way). I don't know of many subjects shot in a banquet format that would benefit from further dividing the minor aspect (short dimension).

    Do you make many images with your 12X20 in which the long dimension is in a vertical orientation?

    ...how about you take two pics in one negative, you develop it and then cut along the dark line and place them side by side? since the aspect ratio will be so "big" it should give a feeling of true panoramic.

    OTOH there is no reason why you cannot make one dark slide with the rectangle on the far left, one with the rectangle in the mdidle and one with the rectangle in the far right leaving just a thin edge on each of the extremes as supposrt. so lets see the image would be 3 shots one right next to the other of measurements 6 7/8x3 1/2 in. Or you can do only two slides....the combinations are endless.

    I seem to recall a guy who did a series or "tryptich" one on top of the other, but I dont remember where.

    Certainly I have not found a photograph where I can use the 12x20 vertical, but I do carry a smaller tripod presicely for those occasions so I can support the camera with two tripods.

    Some times we need to think out of the box, just because it has not been done does not mean it should not be done...no?

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    BTW, Bender just notified me that they will not be selling the 4x10 slide any more. Seems Calumet bought all the film holder manufacturers, cornered the market and has increased the price of blank dark slide so much that it no longer can be profitable for them.

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    Alan Brubaker (filmholders.com) is making some dark slides for me for another project... I am sure that he could do some really good precision work for masking slides... I'll ask him next time we talk.

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    Does anybody have an idea for a material to make those darkslide masks out of? Cutting up a good darkslide doesn't seem right. The material wouldn't need to be 100% light tight just tight enough for the time the shutter was open.

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    The older darkslides are just metal. Get a caliper and measure one. Any competant machine shop can cut a sheet of metal to your specs.
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    Jorge said

    ...how about you take two pics in one negative, you develop it and then cut along the dark line and place them side by side? since the aspect ratio will be so "big" it should give a feeling of true panoramic.

    True, but would that be a "true panoramic"? Wouldn't the shortened film diagonal cause the lens choice to be effectively altered to a more telephoto length? I wonder if this would be beneficial to the depiction of a true panoramic. Furthermore if the tripod head was rotated in order to not simply duplicate information which had already been exposed on film, wouldn't the differing heights of the film cause a misalingment from a true panoramic? At least it would seem to me.

    Jorge said

    OTOH there is no reason why you cannot make one dark slide with the rectangle on the far left, one with the rectangle in the mdidle and one with the rectangle in the far right leaving just a thin edge on each of the extremes as supposrt. so lets see the image would be 3 shots one right next to the other of measurements 6 7/8x3 1/2 in. Or you can do only two slides....the combinations are endless.

    That seems to be what I said in my earlier post. Then it occurred to me, Why???? What is being accomplished by doing this?

    Jorge said

    I seem to recall a guy who did a series or "tryptich" one on top of the other, but I dont remember where.

    There is/was a platinum printer that worked with enlarged negatives (studied under Sal Lopes) and he did print presentations by actually overlaying segments on each other. Is that who you were thinking of? If so I may be able to come up with a name for you for future reference.

    Jorge said

    Certainly I have not found a photograph where I can use the 12x20 vertical, but I do carry a smaller tripod presicely for those occasions so I can support the camera with two tripods.

    Interesting, have you had your camera modified to incorporate a tripod socket on the front standard or on the side rail? If you have I may need to consider that for mine. What movements would you have if you were using the camera in that manner?

    Jorge said

    Some times we need to think out of the box, just because it has not been done does not mean it should not be done...no?

    That may very well be true...if I could see anything accomplished by masking a negative in this fashion over simply making an exposure, printing the negative and then cutting the print to the desired number of segments...I would be interested in learning the benefit of doing the masking if you would be kind enough to tell me. I am always ready to have my knowledge broadened.

    The other consideration that the original poster raised was mixing color and black and white. What would be wrong with making two exposures, one color the other black and white. Printing the respective negatives and then cutting the respective prints to the orientation and division desired. Is there something that I am missing here about this being the simplest and most straightforward way to accomplish the task desired?

    Or am I not thinking far enough outside the box for this matter?
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    Ann, I do a lot of work with aluminum. If you want some inserts, I can cut them for you and use a flat black finish. I need to know the dimensions of the darkslide you have, including a thickness.

    If you interested, send me a PM and I'll discuss the details. I could probably cut two for about $25 plus shipping, a few $ more.

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    Jim, can you make them any size? This would make a great way for me to get 8x20 and 11x14 out of my 12x20.

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    Jim, can you make them any size? This would make a great way for me to get 8x20 and 11x14 out of my 12x20.

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