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    Quote Originally Posted by bmac
    The 4MP camera may be the weak link in your setup. We use the Pictorico Photo Gallery Hi-Gloss White Film with the 2200 (as does Dan) and get great results. You aren't going to get largeformat results from a 4mp file, no matter what kind of software you use to enlarge it. The details aren't captured. Our digital negatives are typically from scanned film files upwards of 100 megs each.
    I can see the 'small' file would come into play but my output size is only 6"x8". I don't see this 'graining' on output to paper - just to OHP. I assume with Gallery White Film you're printing those 'negs' onto silver paper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmac
    The 4MP camera may be the weak link in your setup.
    Forgot to mention I also see graining even on 4"x5" prints made from this size file and OHP.

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    Currently printing on Silver, soon working on a new curve for AZO. The tonal range with the white film is smoother than the clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogein
    Quote Originally Posted by bmac
    The 4MP camera may be the weak link in your setup.
    Forgot to mention I also see graining even on 4"x5" prints made from this size file and OHP.

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    Could it be an artifact of the printers spray pattern?

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    Forgot to mention I also see graining even on 4"x5" prints made from this size file and OHP.

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    Roger...[/quote]

    Can you post an example?
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    Not sure how to post a jpg here but:

    http://www3.sympatico.ca/rogein/test.htm

    The first image is from the digital neg, the second from an in camera neg.

    Both obviously show the surface texture of the paper but the digital neg has an overall 'graining' to the image.

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    Are your negatives bitmapped or half tones? Bitmap negatives can show "grain" at about 50%. I can't tell from your scans where your graining is taking place.

    The comment about 4 meg cameras being a weak link depends on the size of the final print. If the final print is a tad smaller than 8" x 10", then there should be sufficient information to make a good silver print.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogein
    Both obviously show the surface texture of the paper but the digital neg has an overall 'graining' to the image.
    Roger,

    How are you making your digital negs? I'm using an Epson 1280 and using Keith Schreiber's approach which involves a color table colorization with a color that looks very much like a Pyro neg rather than the orange that Dan uses. I'm getting some very smooth prints from these negs, and you know that my standard for smooth is VERY high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerik
    How are you making your digital negs? I'm using an Epson 1280 and using Keith Schreiber's approach which involves a color table colorization with a color that looks very much like a Pyro neg rather than the orange that Dan uses. I'm getting some very smooth prints from these negs, and you know that my standard for smooth is VERY high.

    Kerik
    Hi Kerik,

    Good to hear from you again! Despite the guffaws from my hoser friends up here (you know who I mean :-)) I've been playing with an Epson 2200 and OHP using all 7 inks. I started with Dan's curves for this setup and have gradually modified the curve to suit my pt mix, paper, uv light source, etc. Surprisingly the negs made this way do have the 'pyro' look (ie. they're yellow-brown in colour). I even showed them to the 'hosers' and they thought so too. I'm wondering if the problem is due to the difference between the pigment inks in the 2200 vs the dye inks in the 1280? I'll try using the colour table method (ie. eliminate the black inks?) to see if this may solve the problem?

    Cheers,
    Roger...

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