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    What about a Sinar Norma

    Hi all,

    There is this nice Sinar Norma 4x5 for sale and it kind a bugging me. I've never touch a LF camera, but I think it might be fun to use. For now, I'm enjoying my MF camera a lot. I think that what I like the most is looking at the ground glass. I don't know why, but it seems addictive. As I like to do nature and landscape photography, looking at a bigger ground glass could be ever better. However, I think that some gain in the picture quality must over come the trouble involve with carrying and setting up LF camera.

    Is doing LF photography really rewarding over MF ? If so, is it possible to do hiking with this type of camera and what should be a decent price for a camera like that with 4 lens (90,135,180,240) ?

    Thanks, Jeff

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    If you can get a good price - BUY IT - LF is addictive, you'll discover tilts especially with nature/landscape they add another dimension to your process - you'll be heading towards an 8x10 in no time (and have some of the camera already)...

    If you are like me you'll find two lenses you like and stick with them, you can always sell the other two to make up the costs ...

    Sinars are lovely cameras, the Norma being older and not as 'techy' as the P models - but a damn sexy (and lightish weight) piece of gear ...
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    What you will get WITH it are more deliberate photo's, made at a slown down pace and great negatives and slides.
    4x5 and 8x10 is adictive, I know, am into it for the past 25 odd years.

    If the price is right to you: go for it and start a new learning curve.

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    Agree, the Norma is a great camera. Its controls fall to hand easily, it's versatile, and there's one in the Museum of Modern Art for industrial design. If they're loose they can be easily adjusted or rebuilt (caution, don't adjust unless you know how).

    They can be packed or carried pretty easily, and people usually buy a 6" rail and slide both standards on to it for packing. A solid 4x5 Norma will be around $400-500 by itself. We can't tell from the description of lenses because their prices will depend on manufacturer and model, age, condition, maximum aperture, condition, single or multicoating, condition...

    If it is a good price, I'd go for it. It's fully depreciated so you won't lose anything if you decide to sell it.

    Cheers, Steve

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    I can assemble two separate Sinar P's now - a 4x5 and a 8x10/11x14 combo and have a Norma front standard somewhere laying about with missing knobs, thinking about getting a full norma in 8x10 for travel...

    Dang! I was in MOMA last year in the industrial section and didn't see it, but I think there may have been renovations going on at the time - nice to know I have a piece of it at home

    Not that it means that much (tools don't make the photographer) but if you are a subscriber you can search the galleries for 'norma' - you'll find some great imagery in there
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    I have 3 large format cameras and my Norma is far and away my favorite. It is sturdy, intuitive, precise, and a joy to work with. Also, because it is modular it can be configured to do just about anything you want it to. It's also pretty. What more could anyone want in a camera? It's not quite as easy to transport as a folding field camera, but it can certainly be carried in a backpack and is not terribly heavy. Did I mention that I like mine a lot?

    Richard Wasserman

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    Just adding a different note:
    Are you missing camera movements now?
    You specifically asked about carrying it into the landscape. No large format set (apart from flexible kludges, which the Norma isn't) can be as light as a medium format set of the same applicability.
    Add films like Rollei ATP into the consideration that for my enlargement ratios is grainless, use good glass and I bet you can't see a difference in the prints but for the photographs you need movements for.
    OTOH, if you need a big negative for alternative media contact prints, using a medium format camera means a more convoluted process in the darkroom afterwards.

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    Wow, so many nice comments on this camera. It think I'll have a closer look at its condition and if everything is good condition, then I'll make an offer. Has one said, the camera is already fully depreciated, so I can just buy it and try to see if I like LF photography.

    The lens are all Schneider f5.9 except the 240 which is a Rodenstock f9. As I'm totally newbie in LF, I have no idea where they are situated on the quality scale. I know that Schneider have quite good reputation in MF format (as I can't afford one for my Rollei SLR), what about LF ?

    When I read LF forum, I tend to think that people here suffer from a size complexity problem and are looking for bigger and bigger. As this seems to be a spreading disease, what are the possible expansion to bigger format from a Norma 4x5 ? Is it possible to just change the back to upscale the negative size ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfdupuis View Post
    what are the possible expansion to bigger format from a Norma 4x5 ? Is it possible to just change the back to upscale the negative size ?
    8x10 easy ! (probably 5x7 ?) - you'll need a new bellows in addition ...

    Maybe the front standard will need a little extra rise to centre then lens again, which could restrict shifts (ways around this, but not the most elegant of solutions)...

    No way a show stopper tho
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    Yes Its a modular system. Once you have a 4X5" setup you can change to a 5X7 back and bellows keeping the front. Next step is a 8X10" back (and bellows for that.)
    I have a 5X7 Norma and a 4X5 reducing back. I wouldn't call it leight though since mine in 5X7 setup incl a 150mm ( just covers 13X18cm) weigh more than 5kg. Great camera though and I look forward to use it more.
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