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    Ansco 8x10 - value?

    I know this sounds like a "for sale" ad but it isn't. In fact, I won't sell it to anyone from this thread (I will probably put it in the classifieds later). I am looking for advice on value. I will be selling my old Ansco 8x10 but I have no idea what would be a reasonable price because I couldn't find any comparable models out there for sale. It is the famous battleship grey model. It has lots of movements (including geared front rise with front tilt separate from the rise), swing, rear swing and rear tilt. It has a good bellows with no leaks (19 inch max extension). I also have a 5x7 back for it. It is a definitely a user and not very pretty cosmetically.
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    The person looking at a camera like this wants to get in to 8x10 shooting and contact printing without spending a lot of money. The competition is a Bender 8x10 Kit for $429 USD. Probably around $200 to $300.

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    Thanks, ic. I am not just trying to squeeze more dough out of it, but for guys like me with no talent at assembling anything, the Bender is no-go.
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    What's an 8x10 Ansco worth? In Ansel Adams' hands---it was priceless! For the rest of us, probably around $350-$450 depending on the condition.

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    It needs a little love but looks solid. Right know I would say $200-400 depending on the day and buyer.

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    From the hardware that's a fairly late model. 19" bellows? are those replacements? They look new and memory tells me 19" is short for this model.

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    This is a late post 1942 model after production of camera's stopped at Bingham during WWII. It's not the same or similar to the model Brett Weston used, or St Ansel, and differs in a few ways from the better more desirable pre-War models.

    Build quality & finish has been simplified to make the camera's cheaper & easier to manufacture, they were being built to US Government contract. The Front standard is now simplified with no shaping, rounding etc and the bracing removed, the back has changed to, it's now base tilt instead of centre tilt, the little pendulum on either side for getting the back perpendicular has gone, and the balance block has been dropped.

    Put side by side with an earlier Agfa Ansco Commercial View it's quite a different camera, although just as capable in terms of image making. It's a Universal View, as it doesn't take the additional front rail for Triple extension. At some point these camera began being sold with B&J badges.




    All 10x8 Agfa Ansco's now seem to sell below the prices of their contemporary competitors despite the fact that they were once the best camera's of their type.

    Price wise you need to take into account usability, this is a field camera with a lot of movements, it's far better than a "Bender" so $400-$500 + isn't out of the question.

    A couple of questions though. Does the camera still fold up ? Also isn't there any rear extension, usually the bellows should go to 26" ? It looks like the rear part or the rail should be in two parts the inner part pulls back as shown here.



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    Ian

    Thanks for the great info. I had no idea my modest little Ansco had such a pedigree (the less intelligent but hard-working son of the Grand Patriach, lol). I am surprised it sold as a B&J. My first 8x10 was a B&J and this Ansco is much better, much tighter overall.

    The camera does indeed fold up although not into a handy little clamshell. However, it folds up enough to fit into my Lowepro backpack. I really like the camera but I wanted a longer bellows draw so I bought a Kodak Master 8x10 (sometimes I wonder if I just should have got a longer bellows for this beast, but the KM is a really nice camera).

    There is indeed a rear extension and the bellows will go to more than 19" but not without pulling the bellows too tight, in my opinion. I think that Nick is right about the bellows being a replacement.

    One thing I love about this camera is that the front tilt and front rise are completely separate. On my Wisner 4x5 and my new Kodak, the two are together and it is real pain in the ass. Also, the camera weighs about the same as the KM I bought to replace it - 12 lbs. Lighter than some, heavier than more expensive cameras. However, I really don't need two 8x10's and want this one to go to a good home.

    Should I bother cleaning it up, perhaps even painting it a little, or is an "as is" sale ok? It is just fine mechanically and ready to go.
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    Don, it's a woolly area the later Agfa Ansco. The problem is they seem to have been subcontracted out & the workshop appears to have made cameras for other manufacturers as well. I had/have a large collection of photo's of these camera's back in the UK that various owners sent me, unfortunately the hard-disk crashed 2-3 years ago but I managed to revive it last time I was there so at some stage will write a detailed article about them. (Luckily I had a second drive with identical electronics).

    Comparing the image of yours to mine those bellows could be genuine they are very well made, and it has the right number of folds for about 26". I have two 10x8's, the one in the photo extends to 36½" it's not that stretched at full extension



    Yours, like the one I've posted photos of, is unusual because most Agfa Ansco's don't have front swing. I've seen no others. I tried to contact the original owner of mine, unfortunately I was 6 months too late and he'd died. But his son said it came that way from the New York dealer along with the fitted Dagor, and was the top US made 10x8 field camera of it's day. His father taught at the Clarence White School of Photography.

    I'd sell as is, if you paint it it needs a lot of work to do nicely and you'd probably end up wanting to keep it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    Comparing the image of yours to mine those bellows could be genuine they are very well made, and it has the right number of folds for about 26".
    Perhaps I am just too nervous to strettttttttttttch it right out. I will look again tonight.

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    I have two 10x8's, the one in the photo extends to 36½" it's not that stretched at full extension
    Man, that's quite the stretch. Either you have arms like a chimpanzee or an assistant, stationed at the front standard, with whom you communicate by cellphone or, in keeping with the age of the camera, Aldis lamp.

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    I'd sell as is, if you paint it it needs a lot of work to do nicely and you'd probably end up wanting to keep it
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    That's what I fear - I will want to keep the darned thing and sell the Kodak. It is a damn good camera but I need an Expert Drum and have a cash flow problem (cash trickle). Something has to go.
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