It must be the 24th of the month.... this topic is about as regular as my wife's...
I've bought from every place mentioned previously in this thread, except ebid or craigslist. Never had a significant problem. Never met a seller either... only dealt through email/mail/paypal. My secret (that I don't mind sharing) is not being an extreme bargain-hunter and not being in a hurry to get something. It seems like the most frequent deals-gone-bad are those in which buyers take excessive risk. Patience is the key -- there only rarely is a truely one-of-a-kind item.
As far as selling, I'm not much of a seller and feel bad for the "small-timer" who gets faced with high fees on eBay. It seems to me, though, that they offer a lot of service for the price, but it does appear to have become a place where those operating on a slim profit margin can't turn a profit.
Yes the only reason why people put up with the horrible service you receive. I'm trying to start a silent revolution go to Ebid! they have escrow so you don't have to pay the paypal their mafia protection. trade per trade you stand to make around 15% more. just need a way of getting others to use ebid. link linking to classified forums here. I'm surprissed someone hasn't started a email petition/strike against these Ebay price hikes.
Originally Posted by Mahler_one
I don't quite understand where this Fee information on PayPal and eBay is coming from.
PayPal does not charge 5%, it charges 2.9% +.30 cents. Ebay also lets you list 5 auction items a month for free, and the maximum Final Value Fee you will pay is $20 on those items. So, on a hypothetical $1000 auction transaction, you are paying a total of $49.30, or less than 5%. Not unreasonable, I think.
Ebid. According to WebSense, Ebid.com is a porn site.
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Originally Posted by wildtypitch
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Wildtypitch, you're in the UK and this is eBay.co.UK we're talking about?
I'm in the US and still find the occasional incredibly rare bargain on ebay.com (along with the beat-up junk with BIN prices where sellers must be smoking dope).
It's probably a better experience nowadays as a buyer than seller, for the most part, except on items where scarcity or trendiness drives the auction price higher than any sensible party would bid. And these are the items that truly boggle the mind. for instance I can't seem to find any Grafmatics lately for a price I'm willing to spend. I saw one go for $190 recently.
But then, I did find an amazing Meridian 45CE (technical field camera) prototype-- quite possibly the only one of it's kind in the world yet in existence!-- a couple of weeks ago, that's easily worth at least twice my winning bid and perhaps a great deal more.
I'm not a salesman for ebid, it just seems to be the best thing to rival it. Take into account that Ebay are making 10% of every sale, thats 10% of everything on ebay! plus paypals cut if used Obviously I hope that loads of people move over to another operator giving the ebay a reason to care about customer service and be competitive. In any other field ebay would be cut down by laws of monopoly and consumer rights.
Paypal charges 3.4% + £0.20 GBP transfers take a week they also demand you become a business member if you want to accept paypal credit card. also they cream a couple of percent if you transfer currencies.
Ebay fees see here http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/sell/fees.html state 10% on all sales over £0.01
Ebay also state that you must offer paypal and ban you and remove your item if you offer any other service like ppay, nochex, etc, etc.... see where this is going?
Also ebay.co.uk insist that you offer fee shipping on all items
The policies have been introduced this year and from my brief look at usa ebay their price remain at a tiered fee scale beginning at 8.75% getting cheaper for high priced items. I guess a new price structure will hit the usa soon.
pupfish yes i'm i the uk but also China, I buy from anywhere in the globe
Just bought a grafmatic with 9 septums for $72 usa ebay good cond, you missed that one I guess unlucky. I have no problems buying from ebay just selling as a small timer.
Now a REAL EBAY RANT
It's noticeable that there's still no credible alternative to Ebay, I do still buy smaller items, books, equipment that's rarer in the UK/US. I buy across Ebay, the .com, .co.uk and the .de and once .it as not everything maps across properly from one Ebay portal to another on international searches.
The OP seems to be more interested in selling than buying, and I've ben looking closely at UK sales particularly as around 3 maybe 4 Ebay Stores seem to be rather pre-dominant with heavily inflated prices particularly of Medium Format and even more so Large Format equipment.
Typically 90mm f6.8 Angulon's are being sold (or rather offered for sale with a "Buy It Now price") for 2-3 times the usual average final auction price of a sale on Ebay, and also the prices of reputable traditional dealers. This is just the most obvious example but there are plenty of others, $600-$700 (US) Speed & Crown Graphics are another, then Xenar's, Symmar's etc it's always the same.
It's like a cartel, all these UK Ebay stores are I think linked through the UK Camera fair circuit, I'm collecting data for a journalist who is digging far deeper Essentially what they do is list and re-list the same items so many times in the hope that people assume those are the going rates for the items, then they list a bit cheaper and hpoe people will buy, still way over the market price. They've effectively killed private sales on Ebay in the UK. in the past 18 months.
The good UK dealers who also have an Ebay store tend not to have many items listed with a "Buy It Now" prices and when they do have fairly priced items, whether on Ebay or in their High Street shops or own websites.
I complained to Ebay about this last year and had no response to my specific questions, I did get a personal acknowledgement though.
To be credible I need to give examples:
90mm f6.8 Angulon's are being listed on Ebay.co.uk for between £230-£260 "Buy It Now" The average Ebay Auction price is £80-£100, and isn't far different to the US where a nice one sold for $153.50 a couple of days ago.
A reputable UK seller and sometimes APUG advertiser MW Classics sells them for around £150 maximum same condition etc and is probably open to haggling, that's from his store & will have a limited warranty. MW Classic also list & sell them on Ebay with NO RESERVE so they know exactly what they fetch at market prices. I'm not writing about shops and dealers making a fair living, they have to make a profit, & when they sell outside Ebay they usually offer a warranty - it'll be 3-6 months usually. What I'm saying is a small number of people are trying to rip us off via Ebay in the UK, and that really means the less knowledgeable are the most vulnerable.
I'll finish my rant against Ebay by saying one UK Ebay store had over 1300 items with very few selling last week, on another the same Eurynar lens has been listed & re-listed now for at least 15 months
There are a lot of very good & fair Trade sellers in the UK using Ebay, the Real Camera Company (Manchester), Vintage & Classic Camera Co, MW Classic's and many many more but it's the very small number who swamp Ebay that are the problem.
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Reason: Spelling but I'll name the seller's soon
Any sales from any source can be a source of frustration -- and it is that damn rotten apple that spoil the barrel. I bought a 5x7 camera in "good" condition from a LF Forum member (who also had a GG business) at what seemed a pretty good price (for both of us), but when it arrived it was obviously from a home of a heavy smoker. I set it up in the garage to air out for a few months...it was nasty to even handle.
Then when I went to actually use it, the gearing on the bed was very marginal and the back unusable. Disappointing and frustrating. But a half-year had past and I had not asked the proper questions about the camera, so I wrote it off as a learning experience (and a future learning experience in camera restoration). But if he was still in business, I would not buy any GG from him.
It is painful to see the same model camera, but in much much better condition, going for less than half of the price on eBay that I paid.
At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.